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Old 05-01-2006, 05:19 AM
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You know, i've always hated Nancy Spungen, always thought that she was a hanger on, wannabe. And yeah i still think she was a groupie, but after reading just some of this book, i feel really sorry for her.

She obviously had tremedous trouble within herself and it must have been awful living in a head like that, especially as a child. I suffer from bi-polar so i know what its like to live in a head which is not the best, but at least i was a happy child.

Its sad, but maybe she was better off to live a short life. I still don't believe sid killed her at least not on purpose
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I posted in the "old" KR that we bought that book on Amazon, and when we got it, it had been signed by Deborah Spungeon and it had a note written in it from Deborah to someone thanking them for their work with victims of violent crime. It's a pretty cool thing to have.

That book was really heartbreaking. That poor family and poor Sid. It really probably was better that Nancy lived a short life. It seemed like she was suffering from the moment she was born.
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I really love that book. I think nancy was and still is a misunderstood person. I found it amazing how her mother can be so frank about all the things nancy did and yet still love her. It must have been incredibly difficult for her.
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I'd never heard of Nancy before I read the book. I picked it up in a bookstore right around the time it came out because the cover copy grabbed me (I was in my early teens, I was in grade school when she died, and I don't remember the incident, despite living in the NYC metro area).

I love the book, and I think it was really important to write because of all the horrible ways the medical establishment failed her. It's heartbreaking. She was probably never going to be alright, but they just made it so much worse.

I was surprised to see that there seems to be a large negative reaction against the book, I've seen it a lot here, and I don't get it. I can understand saying that Deborah was trying to make people see that it wasn't 'her fault' but she really didn't stint on the damage having such an impaired child did to their family and how she broke at times under the strain. I know now I'm an old hag who despite being childless as of yet might tend to automatically side more with a mother than a child, but I was 13 or 14 when I first read it, and I felt the same way.
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i'm bipolar as well its horrible cos they cant cure it only manage it, i've always wanted to read this book i may have a look on ebay for it

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its a really good book. interesting and very sad, i liked it but didn't anyone else get annoyed with the way it was written sometimes??
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i went upstairs. i made a cup of tea. i drank it.
or maybe its just me
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i bought it years ago when it was first released and after reading it my mum wanted to read it too. after she read it she made me go rent sid & nancy.

i don't think she sat through it all but she tried.

anyways, it's a very heartbreaking book and having a child you cannot control is a terrible way to live. my brother in many ways is just like nancy. my mum has the patience of a saint.
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Wow I think I'm the only one who didn't feel sad after reading this book.
It made ponder why they didn't try to be more strict/beat her spoiled ass. I dunno I guess its just me, I have no patience
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i'm bipolar as well its horrible cos they cant cure it only anage it, i've always wanted to read this book i may have a look on ebay for it
I read that book in about a day. It's well worth reading.
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It made ponder why they didn't try to be more strict/beat her spoiled ass. I dunno I guess its just me, I have no patience
I don't know how much clearer the book could have been that they tried being strict in every possible form and none of it reached her.
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poor Sid. It really probably was better that Nancy lived a short life. It seemed like she was suffering from the moment she was born.
Poor Sid???? Poor family????Better off dead????No one deserves to end up like this...



Institutionalise her, put her behind bars, a strait jacket, in a padded room...anything but don't fucking leave her on the bathroom floor in a puddle of blood ffs.

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I don't know how much clearer the book could have been that they tried being strict in every possible form and none of it reached her.
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What else is it that you think they could have done?
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Poor Sid???? Poor family????Better off dead????No one deserves to end up like this...



Institutionalise her, put her behind bars, a strait jacket, in a padded room...anything but don't fucking leave her on the bathroom floor in a puddle of blood ffs.
Why do people think that a life like that the one you just listed is so great, I mean hey, as long as you're alive that's all that counts, right? I disagree..strait jackets, institutions, padded cells. Sorry. I'd rather end up dead.
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Why do people think that a life like that the one you just listed is so great, I mean hey, as long as you're alive that's all that counts, right? I disagree..strait jackets, institutions, padded cells. Sorry. I'd rather end up dead.
I agree. I don't think Nancy ever had a chance of survival since she came out of the womb. She was damned from the start.

I've been gonig through the old bound Rollingstones at my job recently, reading the articles on Sid and Nancy. It's all so heartbreaking, and as loony as it sounds, I feel as though I can relate to her.

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You know, i've always hated Nancy Spungen, always thought that she was a hanger on, wannabe. And yeah i still think she was a groupie, but after reading just some of this book, i feel really sorry for her.

She obviously had tremedous trouble within herself and it must have been awful living in a head like that, especially as a child. I suffer from bi-polar so i know what its like to live in a head which is not the best, but at least i was a happy child.

Its sad, but maybe she was better off to live a short life. I still don't believe sid killed her at least not on purpose

im bipolar too... so i kinda understand some of the "actitudes" and that psycho crisis wich peep round u got lost!

i also think as u that maybe she is better away $ im sure Sid killed her but cause she asked him so much... of course my theory!!!!

for me its a great love story maybe im a stupid weirdo... but i think that even i dont like vicious (like its not my fav pistol) and yeah she was a groupie but WHAT A GROUPIE!!!!

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Poor Sid???? Poor family????Better off dead????No one deserves to end up like this...

Institutionalise her, put her behind bars, a strait jacket, in a padded room...anything but don't fucking leave her on the bathroom floor in a puddle of blood ffs.
With all the fucking heroin she was doing, she probably was going to be found dead slumped over in a corner somewhere. Yes, no-one deserves to die by being gutted, but her life was awful, she was never going to be happy, sometimes its easier for people like that-who have no chance for a "normal" life to have shorter ones.

And i do feel sorry for sid-they had a suicide pact and he didn't get to go with her. There is so much evidence that point to other factors in her death than sid murdering her. (yes he may have done it, but it would have been because nancy wanted him to, or because he was supposed to follow after)

And for the record-they tried institutionalising her as a child/teenager, no institution would take her because they didn't believe she was as bad as her parents reported, and every other p[lace avaliable to kids in her situation couldn't cater for her intellectually.
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Why do people think that a life like that the one you just listed is so great, I mean hey, as long as you're alive that's all that counts, right? I disagree..strait jackets, institutions, padded cells. Sorry. I'd rather end up dead.
Strait jackets, institutions and padded cells are one way of helping an individual in need. Yes it's gutty and ugly as hell but the insticts would eventally kick in and you'd fight for your life or at least allow others to fight for you or with you, but if you'd rather have a cold blade cutting through your stomach than I guess that's fine too as long as you make that decision yourself...just remember, Nancy never made that choice.
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