do you believe that some people are evil? if so do you think that they are born that way?

no and no

peopel are wired differently but from everything ive read about the worst of the worst, it appears that anyone who has been a serial killer has had triggers at two different stages of their development from birth to age 3 and then 8-12. without an intervention of some sort, those who have been truly damaged during those phases (usually with the mother during phase one and with the father during phase two) end up being the closest to evil that we can be.

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geek ahve you heard about or read a book called 'we need to talk about kevin'.

no whats that?

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oh i just read about it.

have you read wasp factory by iain banks??

scottish novel. really really good

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from here all the way to singapore
but i will carry you home in my teeth
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I have! Amazing book, the part about the hollowed out head filled with maggots still sticks in my head though

its so damned good

its funny but the most horrifying 0parts to me were the night he and his friend were coming back to the house after the pub (nothing even happened i dont recall) and the library when frank and his father speak honestly about whats wrong with frank. that last bit was almost too much for me. i was CRYING!

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the cave mouth shines
by pure force of will
i look down on the world
from the top of this lonesome hill
and you can run, and run some more
from here all the way to singapore
but i will carry you home in my teeth
-mountain goats

it's a book about a boy that kills a few kids and a teacher at his highschool. it's written from the perspective of his mother in letters to his dad and a the beginning the book she makes out that he was basically born evil. it was a bit boring at first but turned out to be quite a good book.

when people seem to have a happy upbringing but go on to do things like kill and rape do you think there is another explanation?

and what things do you think count as evil?

(I have been trying to write a conversation about this in my screenplay and it made me very confused)

yeah I really enjoyed wasp factory, my little brother got it for me for christmas a few years ago. I really need to read it again though because I have forgotten most of it.

omg your'e geek? :happy: i thought you had dissappeared

and no, people aren't usually evil, it's their circumstances combined with their inherit programming and greed that is. if we were all limitless i doubt we'd be greedy crazy bastards. maybe we'd get bored of being goody two shoes then, who knows. asking why is evil sometimes too.

and the wasp factory is amazing.

who grew up happy and then murdered like that?

evil? its really hard to distinguish that yeah? i can have empathy for just about any action, even the most horrific; i keep thinking to myself if only someone had talked to him sooner or if only someone had shown her that she was strong enough.

throwing away babies is fucking awful... people do it still, expose unwanted children to the elements, just leave them to die. tormenting someone for the pure pleasure of watching someone be tormented is unthinkable to me too. i DO that, but its consensual, when its not with consent, it makes me sick to my stomach; i cant see straight. i cant watch Saw movies or most movies really, because of this


recently i read baout this murderer who in an interview said something interesting that made me understnad WHy someone might murder and then fuck the dead bod, and i cant fucking find him evil after hearing it whereas before it seemed evil

he said that in order for him to be able to have a relationship, he had to evict someone from their body = murder them and then he could fuck them. hes so terrified of people of people making movements that might harm him and so desperately lonely that he commits these acts

he shouldnt do them of course DUH but i can suddenly empathize with him and be sad for him

people would think me evil for this thought, for being empathic with murders. its highly individual

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the cave mouth shines
by pure force of will
i look down on the world
from the top of this lonesome hill
and you can run, and run some more
from here all the way to singapore
but i will carry you home in my teeth
-mountain goats

aw crassy! i thought you just werent interested in me and thats why you hadnt talked to me. i forget that i changed my name.

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the cave mouth shines
by pure force of will
i look down on the world
from the top of this lonesome hill
and you can run, and run some more
from here all the way to singapore
but i will carry you home in my teeth
-mountain goats

Some people are born evil. They have weaker defenses against temptation, poor impulse control, an inability to feel anything for another.

Some people are made evil by years of systematic abuse and degradation until they finally lash out out of a sense of entitlement for their sufferings.

All people are capable of evil, some less, some more, but all try to hide that part of themselves until they reach a "critical" situation where it can be supressed no longer.

Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer weren't necessarily evil in the most refined sense. They were sexual deviants with extremely poor impulse control and they were just basically animals, lesser life forms. Hitler on the other hand was purely psychological and psychopathological evil. Brilliant enough to know better, mentally ill enough not to care.

Personally I believe we`re ALL born "Evil free.." Its society & the ppl
around the child who create a Ted Bundy/Hitler..

& some are just born mentally ill & its overlooked,til its to damn late!

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I don't think people are born evil. A person who carries out evil acts surely must have had something happen during their life for them to end up going in that direction.

I'm not truly convinced there is such a thing as an evil person. There's definitely such a thing as being fucked-up, irrational, lacking of understanding (of the world, customs, laws, etiquette, morals), for whatever reason, but I don't think any person is evil.

I mean, take a murderer. If the person has a mental illness which they cannot control, we wouldn't call them evil. If the person appears to have their faculties and seems to completely understand and show no remorse for what they have done, we regard them as evil. But that's missing the point; there has to be something wrong there, even if nobody can pinpoint it and the person itself isn't conscious of it.

I don't know.

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- Parce que ça ne servirait à rien, lui répond son ami. Il est plein de trous.
- Alors, pourquoi l'as-tu pris?
- Parce que je ne pensais pas qu'il pleuvrait.