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09-05-2008, 05:08 PM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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| | | ill pass | 
09-05-2008, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by OneBreath Well Im not receiving auditing or courses right now so it's not much of worry for now. When I move out on my own (which will hopfully be next spring) my mom will give me money for a psychiatrist and therapist which I will instead spend on auditing and services, plus I have money in the bank.
| Oooh. Where are you moving to?
Spend your money on partying??? | 
09-05-2008, 08:33 PM
|  | Crackbabble | | Join Date: May 2008 Location: Brazil Indiana
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Originally Posted by OneBreath ill pass | Bullshit, I'm sure it's your secret fantasy  | 
09-05-2008, 09:12 PM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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Originally Posted by OrangeSapphire Oooh. Where are you moving to?
Spend your money on partying??? | i dont know. whatever college i get accepted into. im not even sure where to apply.
If you're already in college do you need to have an SAT test score to transfer? | 
09-06-2008, 02:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OneBreath i dont know. whatever college i get accepted into. im not even sure where to apply.
If you're already in college do you need to have an SAT test score to transfer? |
it depends on the school, some schools dont require sats.. if uir ever on the east coast we ll chill. <3 <3<3<3<3
im just looking out for yall. i just meant kr is a place w=to laugh at cientologists so like it not like ppl would have pos things to say. like if u want good jokes then its the right places but otherwise no. | 
09-06-2008, 02:27 AM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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| | | there arent any positive online places out there that isnt bombarded with people preaching against it mostly with misconceptions. it's unfortunate. | 
09-06-2008, 04:05 AM
|  | Inventor of the Rapedar | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: nTown, UK
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| | | How long have you been a Scientologist, Nina? Because you seem to be very sure of what's what in the religion and what is a "misconception" already. You're been with the Church, what, five years?
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09-06-2008, 04:13 AM
|  | Material Girl | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: scandinavia
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| | Why would you do something like that?
Do you have too much money you wanna get rid off? Or do you wanna stop thinking yourself? Or maybe work for nothing?
I can help you with the money issue, just send me all your money.  | 
09-06-2008, 04:13 AM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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| | | that was sarcasm right? a few weeks | 
09-06-2008, 04:15 AM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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Originally Posted by Zindy Why would you do something like that?
Do you have too much money you wanna get rid off? Or do you wanna stop thinking yourself? Or maybe work for nothing?
I can help you with the money issue, just send me all your money.  | It's less than what's been spent the past few years combined of therapy. | 
09-06-2008, 04:19 AM
|  | Inventor of the Rapedar | | Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: nTown, UK
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Originally Posted by OneBreath that was sarcasm right? a few weeks | Do you know, I believe it was, yes.
Honestly doll, I would treat it with extreme caution.
My friend applied for a job in their admin department. They gave him an e-meter reading (what kind of job has a religious initiation as part of the interview?) and then asked for his passport number. When he asked why they said something about it being normal in other countries (rather than, like, the one he'd be living and working in), so he politely declined.
I promise that the above is true. I really do think you should be careful. I'm not anti-Sci the way a lot are (i.e. anti-religious or anti-"cult"), but I do think you should always take religion on its merits and flaws. You seem to be willing to write off a lot of negative testimony, and I'd like to know why. How do you know that what you're reading on-line is "misconception"? Did the Sci-folk tell you that?
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09-06-2008, 03:23 PM
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| | | You should make your next religion be Rastafari. | 
09-06-2008, 03:52 PM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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Originally Posted by Ophiel Do you know, I believe it was, yes.
Honestly doll, I would treat it with extreme caution.
My friend applied for a job in their admin department. They gave him an e-meter reading (what kind of job has a religious initiation as part of the interview?) and then asked for his passport number. When he asked why they said something about it being normal in other countries (rather than, like, the one he'd be living and working in), so he politely declined.
I promise that the above is true. I really do think you should be careful. I'm not anti-Sci the way a lot are (i.e. anti-religious or anti-"cult"), but I do think you should always take religion on its merits and flaws. You seem to be willing to write off a lot of negative testimony, and I'd like to know why. How do you know that what you're reading on-line is "misconception"? Did the Sci-folk tell you that? | They don't want to hire someone with bad vibes? If you're applying for job religiously related you shouldn't really be suprised by that kind of stuff, considering they're allowed to pick who they want.
The passport thing could have something to do with the fact Scientology is not recognized as a religion in other countries and is often persecuted against?
I know misconceptions because the vast majority of claims about scientology are extremely exagerrated and I've looked up the literature myself, it's incredibly more saner and factually based than all the deity-worship mainstream religions. | 
09-06-2008, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by OneBreath They don't want to hire someone with bad vibes? If you're applying for job religiously related you shouldn't really be suprised by that kind of stuff, considering they're allowed to pick who they want.
The passport thing could have something to do with the fact Scientology is not recognized as a religion in other countries and is often persecuted against? | Yes, it could be that. But as someone who has gotten a job before, I know that no employer actually needs that information, certainly not for an admin job and certainly not at the interview stage.
I don't want to be too hard on you because I know you've not had a job before, but seriously seriously seriously, I promise you that this is not normal, or even "just being cautious". I've worked jobs that involved handling sensitive data and it's just not something they ever ask for. Quote:
Originally Posted by OneBreath I know misconceptions because the vast majority of claims about scientology are extremely exagerrated and I've looked up the literature myself, it's incredibly more saner and factually based than all the deity-worship mainstream religions. | No it isn't. Really really really it isn't. It's at least as insane, and big parts of it are provably outright gibberish. And you avoid very neatly the main objection people have against Scientology, namely that they charge money for information about their doctrine. How, as a sane person, are you able to rationalise that?
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09-06-2008, 04:33 PM
|  | all eyes on me | | Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: in the center of the ring
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| | | They don't charge money for the doctrine they charge money for courses and auditing. They do allow people who struggle to pay to take the courses for either free or half off btw.
A lot of the money used goes to expanding their causes,paying the staff, the equitment, there is no "pyramid scheme". | 
09-06-2008, 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OneBreath They don't charge money for the doctrine they charge money for courses and auditing. They do allow people who struggle to pay to take the courses for either free or half off btw.
A lot of the money used goes to expanding their causes,paying the staff, the equitment, there is no "pyramid scheme". | They may have changed their practises then. Certainly for a long time, it was only after attending such courses and auditing (paid for, natch) that information about the religion was revealed. Therefore, they paid for the information, QED. The church may, if it has any sense, realise that all of such doctrines can now be found on-line, but you must be aware that that has not always been the case.
I'd also ask why you think so many former Scientologists would lie about the religion being an unscrupulous corporate enterprise if there was no truth in that?
Or, for that matter, why someone who has been so ardently opposed to religion for 4 years, experiencing firsthand how it can isolate people from communities and societies, has decided to join a religion that is notorious for doing exactly that, and which deals with dissenting voices with legal action, regarding dissenters as "fair game", etc., rather than merely snubbing them or, god forbid, just turning the other cheek? You have been critical of religious nonsense before; why is this particular brand of nonsense any different?
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09-06-2008, 05:32 PM
|  | I fucking broke it. | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: The Great Depression Part Deux
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Originally Posted by Ophiel
I'd also ask why you think so many former Scientologists would lie about the religion being an unscrupulous corporate enterprise if there was no truth in that? | Umm didn't L. Ron Hubbard himself even say this is how you make a million dollars, by starting a cult? | 
09-06-2008, 05:35 PM
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| | | See, when someone's being told that what's out there is misinformation/persecutive lies, you can still work at what they say is true. What I know of Nina is that she has been jerked around by religion for many of her teenage years, and that she is quite intelligent but given to depression and despondence. In other words, she's perfect for a religion like Scientology. But what she's willing to believe is enough. What she believes doesn't point to a better religion than the one that's jerked her around. She doesn't need a religion at all, far less this one.
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09-06-2008, 05:38 PM
|  | Woman Talking to Death | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn
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Originally Posted by Ophiel Yes, it could be that. But as someone who has gotten a job before, I know that no employer actually needs that information, certainly not for an admin job and certainly not at the interview stage.
I don't want to be too hard on you because I know you've not had a job before, but seriously seriously seriously, I promise you that this is not normal, or even "just being cautious". I've worked jobs that involved handling sensitive data and it's just not something they ever ask for. | For my job, because the agency does foster care services, I had to physically bring my college diploma to then to be photocopied, sign a legal document promising to never divulge anything I should ever learn about a participant's HIV status, and I was supposed to get extra references following my hiring - my ex-boss sent a pissy 'didn't you already get this job' email, which they accepted for my file instead. (Edited to add: this was all after I was hired, not when I was being interviewed) I do not actually work with the children in any capacity. But nobody asked for my passport.
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09-06-2008, 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by radiofriendly I say freedom of religion! Im more Buddhist though but believe in promoting anything that strays away from damaging Christinaity, Jweism and Mormonism. |
Sorry kitten, but that's some played out horsecrap.
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