Well, you can never prove that you're immortal. Quite easy to prove that you're not, however.

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actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

Do you think drugs could ever open your eyes to revelation? Personally, on LSD I experienced an alternate world and had my eyes opened to that world. That is the revelation I received from LSD - to this day that world haunts me and causes me no end of termoil. So, my point is - some things are best left unsaid.

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absolutely not.

In this life there are many things we will never know because this is a limited existence in all aspects but once we die and are delivered from the contraptions and illusions of the physical world, we can know aboslutely everything.

In fact, the author of Embraced by the Light says that in The Other Side there is a Library of Thought where every thing that can be known is there and can be accessed, and everything that has happened on Earth is also there.

I'm gone drunk so forgive me for my impudence...but isn't absract mathematics bound to be true only because it takes for granted it's own premises? Or begging the question, on a cosmic scale. I don't see how it can be valid beyond the real world where its claims can be tested (the same goes for any other form of reasoning).

Take string threory et al. In ordinary astrophysical cosmology, the details of the big bang are investigated. Theories are proposed that make assertions about the total amount of energy and such, and these theories are tested against the astrophysical data. Fair enough.

Now string theorists are working on an explanation for the big bang itself. But their methods are purely speculative. Although they take establish physical fact and theory into account, they postulate background spaces and mechanisms which we have no chance of observing. It must be acknowledged that their are an infinity of possible things that happened before or "caused" the big bang, including the theory that there was simply nothing!

The theory of interacting membranes is purely speculative and simply amounts to a highly mathematical theology. Epistemologically, it is on equal footing with the theory, "And then God said 'Let there be light!'" ...

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You fell down of course, and then you got up of course and started over. Forgot my name of course, then you started to remember.

well the axioms are pretty sound ones, like things are equal to themselves, and if all things (individually) have a property then a particular one of them has that property.

its relationship with the real world is debatable, but i think i'd claim it was at least as knowable as the real world, perhaps by virtue of it being part of the world. but if that last is the case then as maths isn't completely knowable then neither is the world.

string theories aren't scientific theories, as they aren't testable/predictive, as far as i know. maybe that will change. they seem to be mathematical extrapolations of current (testable) theory as an attempt to tackle the problems of that theory. this is very common well established practice in mathematical physics and natural selection will decide if string theory survives. but like i said i don't know too much about it

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Couldn't you just jump off a bridge and not die? Or have I missed something?

I think the existence, or not, of God, can't be proven. Because the very nature of God means that evolution/the big bang/whatever discovery, can just be attributed to God. The only way we will prove either way whether God exists, is if God exists.

I thought the afterlife, but then if there are ghosts then that'd be proof.

You can definately never prove how someone else feels, because if someone cries it could be their reaction to something funny. We only guess how other people feel by them having similar reactions to certain situations.

My scientific theory: KR, like Atlantis, may have existed in the past, but does NOT exist now. For that matter, it is possible that the reality of KR was merely a delusion on the part of a cyber-poet who wanted to express "other-wordly thoughts" and connect with other creative types in a cyber-community of freaks and weirdos. Some universal proofs were discovered, but no real empirical evidence was established from collected data because "the observer" was declared non-existent by the atheist core of non-existent members of the mythical cyber-community Kittyradio.

To prove my theory as valid, what I can do is look the other way and require the believers to prove to me it still exists. The proof is pending. Any emails sent by the moderation mechanism will be dismissed as diversionary spam sent by the Illuminatti to cover up the truth about the alien invasion via cyber-space.



"Without valid credentialed scientific observation nothing exists"
~~carefulcarpenter

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A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

When the night falls on you..and you dont know what to do..let me see you through..cause Ive seen the daaaark side too..

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You fell down of course, and then you got up of course and started over. Forgot my name of course, then you started to remember.

That would prove that you didn't die that time, and that way. You can't prove that you will never die, ever.

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I escaped somehow. Let's go

actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

Well like god, immortality would have to be defined before any kind of debate could take place.

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i thought nothing could be known to be true only things that are untrue.

but I'm not getting into this thread as my knowledge of philosophy is cobbled together from comic books, drunk conversations, introducing... books and this website.

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Would you like a cigarette? They're quite exellent.

I'm going to go with the literal "unable to be dead". And the implicit "unable to be dead, ever" bit is impossible to prove.

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Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.

I escaped somehow. Let's go

actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

Well... Your confusing flesh with perception. That which the flesh is made is immortal. But the construct which is body is not (Which I'm guessing your talking about).

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Well, obviously we disagree on that point. Yucky God germs.

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Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.

I escaped somehow. Let's go

actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

I don't understand god germs... I don't believe in god, well not how the typical christian would anyhow. So are you say that my body this flesh and blood is immortal? I think your a fool. Plus we can only judge immortality by our own perception of time which if I may quote...

"time and space are modes in which we think,
Not conditions in which we live"
Albert Einstien

So yes I think we would have to disagree on this one.

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Oh, wake up to yourself.

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Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.

I escaped somehow. Let's go

actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

I don't understand what your getting at? This is a good thread let's not turn it into and bitch fest.

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See, I always wondered, unless you've known someone else's love through prayer, how do you have enough points of comparison to know it's God's love, and not just some fat guy on the Internet's?

I have a hard enough time with this level of consciousness. I'm not convinced that drugs can do anything other than alter the way you perceive the same things. I speak from limited experience but I do believe that an object is an object, and if drugged up perceptions persuade you otherwise you should probably not listen to them.