"In order to be effective truth must penetrate like an arrow - and that is likely to hurt."
~~ 'Posthumous Pieces' by Wei Wu Wei

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

i've given a lot of thought to the fact that you can't escape pain in this life. obvious examples; childbirth, growing adult teeth, some animals have to kill to survive, ect.

that old saying, "the truth hurts" - idk what that means. what do you think? i think it's when we delude ourselves for peace of mind, get so comfortable with it that it seems real to you.

when you suddenly realize you've been wrong, it can hurt. it makes me feel like i've wasted time.

The ego suffers, no doubt of that. Wounding happens when we think everything in life SHOULD be perfect and wonderful all the time. Life is a cyclical process of soul-making; without pain we would not know pleasure. Everything has its opposite, and this is the essence of the process; we go from one end to the other experiencing the pain/pleasure cycle.

When someone dies we could celebrate, even though it hurts. For them they are finally in peace; we can be comforted by this. The real fears people have are often the very opportunities presented to us that give meaning to our lives. After my mother died I came awake. Her spirit lives within me-- I cannot deny this revelation. After my father died I began to realize my weaknesses and my strengths. He was worn down by life, and I discovered within me why he was the way he was. I learned much from the passing of my parents. I am grateful for the suffering they did in sacrifice for me. I now suffer for my children; and I know why I must do this: they must have an example of suffering so that they can learn the truth for themselves. I suffer because I watch them face their fears and I cannot advise them, for if I did I would rob them of the opportunity to be independent and self-responsible.

My daughter explained to me yesterday on the phone how she realized that alcohol robs her of some of the pleasures in her life. I cannot tell her she shouldn't drink or use drugs because she has to learn for herself. It pains me that I cannot say anything that would teach her without the pain she must endure. I think she is independently discovering truths. There is no warning that would teach her better than her own awareness of these destructive forces that work behind the scenes. I did tell her one word: daimon. I hope she follows up and discovers how her daimon is battling with her demons for her soul. She has a good heart yet she enjoys her popularity with her peers. All dad's love cannot do more than to suffer with her. I am a carpenter but I cannot fix life for her. I can help those here at KR some, but I cannot do a thing for my own without robbing them of the opportunities to face their own fears.

Two weeks ago a young man was killed in a mountain bike race that my son was racing in. Sunday my son won the expert division race; he is facing these great challenges head on because he is willing to face fears that most people avoid. I don't need to tell him the value of the pain/ pleasure cycle in life. He has nothing to prove to me to gain my approval and love. My own dad could never say "I love you"; although I knew in my heart that he did love his sons. When he died I was not there for him. He is with me now in my heart. He suffers the pain for me now. For his love I am not an alcoholic.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

i really can't imagine having children. i'd be so worried for them, for one thing.

that must be painful when kids go through the phase when they think (or say) "you're old! i hate you! you know nothing about the real world, as it is now !"

i may adopt/foster an older child in the future.

I wanted to be a dad since I was a young boy; it just was a part of the vision I had for myself. I love to do things for others and kids are an opportunity to sacrifice your self for something greater. This does not mean that someone should have children. Each person has their own wants and needs. Parenting is a tough job and your kids may not tell you what you would want to know. Later in life they might, after they have lived some. My kids are old enough to begin to see what i was saying over the years. I don't know if even they will want to raise children, they are not ready or feeling like it would be good for the society. I had a high school friend who decided the world was too crowded and didn't have any children. I think that is a reasonable choice knowing what his ambitions were.

I said the same thing to a young woman in the Coffee Emporium a few weeks ago, and Rancheria spun it to sound like I was arguing against abortion. I know these are delicate topics but I feel we need inter-generational communication if we are ever going to survive as humans.
There are so many pressures against population growth. It's wonderful if someone can take in some other existing child and make it better for them.

The truth is uncomfortable in the beginning, yet very freeing in the long run. This too will lead to solving problems in the world--if people would be honest with themselves. Children shouldn't be brought into the world just for the appearance. Not all of us are parent material. I am a carpenter so I could be around for my kids. I could have done something else in life, but I might have been distant or out of town a lot trying to be important. I took my kids to school almost every day of their school life. I was never out of town on business. I was there for THEM.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

What do you have to say about this: because truth is pain, and people often feel better when they are told what they want to hear, that love and trust are too offensive and painful for most people to accept into their world; they prefer being lied to and not loved?

Does this make any sense to you?

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

well said, Sophia, about the "delicate" subject. i found out about the human population explosion when i was very young, and it made a huge impct on me. i was so devistated to know that this planet is doomed, it's just a matter of time. i was/am amazed that so many people are oblivious (or in denial).


people who quote the bible to justify their sefishness saying god gave humans the whole planet and everything on/in it, to use and to rule. if that's true, it was such a delightful gift, to be grateful and treat every creature, plant, ect. with respect seems natural to me.

to have abused, destroyed, and raped that gift - i can't understand it, because, at the same time, most people appriciate it.

yes, it makes sense. idk if truth is always pain. Joan Jett said love is pain. a lot of people don't feel like they deserve love and happiness.

i wonder why life is considered to be so cheap to so many. i can't wrap my mind around the idea of cutting down ancient forrests, so we can have toilet paper. why is there no alternative? no one is saying that trees should't be killed and wasted. i use recycled paper, but see so much waste. it's beyond sad.

If Joan Jett said it, it's fucking true, Sophe.

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Time is the distance that you can't return by miles.

I escaped somehow. Let's go

actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

Should any Buddhist enter this thread, I have a question regarding "soul". Somewhere I read that Buddhists do not believe in a soul... what do they believe in, what is the core of human to them ? I could read up, but I'd prefer a Buddhist to explain, and simply (yo). Please no longwinding stuff..


Are there Buddhists here ?

I'm not a proper Buddhist, but I have read a tiny bit of stuff and could at least offer an incredibly bastardized understanding of this that someone more qualified could later come in and expand upon:

Buddhist believe that we experience trials and distractions, and that we keep falling each time we come back so that we learn and retain just a little bit more each time, so that finally at somepoint we break the cycle entirely and sort of join the void known as Nirvana. I can only say that if we are not t posses a soul, then it seems like that's cause we're all generated from the same spiritual egoless immaterial essence, and therefore claiming we have souls would be like mistaking the Ego and the identity we form in this "field of time" for something eternal.

I'm not even sure that made sense. I just took a really random stab in the dark.

"To experience love, we must go inside. When you experience real love you get into a state which is beyond words. You are filled with a joy that goes beyond all emotions. True love is the love of the inner Self."
~~ Swami Muktananda


This is different than narcissistic love of self image .

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

Knowing Rancheria as a man if high integrity. I doubt he would spin such a story. Just to have something bad to say about you. What he said came directly from the victim of your abuses.

Just a question if you can't tell your children about life why is it you can give advice to everyone else on KR. Or tell them the way life is according to Sophia..!

Mr Right.. Seems like all your righteousness would help you guide your children in a good direction.

High integrity like the ex-military Mr. McCain?

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

Hahaha, isn't it kind of juvenile for you to come this anti-military crap whenever you have no real response to anything Ranch-related? Big deal; he was a soldier. So were a lot of people. Maybe they thought "hey, this country's pretty rad, maybe we should join the military so that in thirty years time ageing pussy-faggots who loiter around our workplace harassing the customers can try and undermine the validity of our opinions by mentioning that we're ex-military men." Maybe that's not what they thought. Maybe they just love shooting people full of holes. Which do you reckon?

"Spontaneity is being present in the present. Spontaneity by-passes the processes of the conceptual (aspect of) mind. Re-integration with Nature, which we are, is the recovery of spontaneity."
~~ Wei Wu Wei

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

Military minds are not often spontaneous minds, but rather analytic and suspicious minds. They are big on rules and order.

Does it not seem ironic that men who fought for the rights of citizens to speak freely would try to silence me in my own community meeting place (Coffee Emporium)? I have argued for their right to speak freely here at KR and also at Noblerealms.org and Nobledreams.co.uk. Now, what I might point out are the posted rules of the forums, and the enforcement of said rules regarding personal attacks, personal information, stalking, etc. So far, these two guys have been banned within days of posting at Nobledreams, and have not contributed much here at KR that wasn't directed at me. I would conclude that they are not serious patrons of Kittyradio per se. If I leave they will follow me and continue the same MO.

They seem to prefer sniping vs spontaneous thought and self-expression.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

__________________
Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."