Spiritual entities: OPs - Page 2

Sophia_ · #6 05-08-2008, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by bort

You do this in other places? Colour me indignant. I just figured it was some kind of performance art, strictly for KR's pleasure. BUT NO. Betrayal - it is the colour of your soul, bathed in wildflowers.

I Am the art. Parallax. Better discernment skill development. I just repped you on another thread. Later. Hope you help with the OP thread with info and opinions.

Sophia_ · #7 05-08-2008, 09:49 AM

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NobleDreams.co.uk
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#1 Sun 4th May 2008 17:03pm BST
Spike

gapz wrote:

blue wrote:

Careful Carpenter has now been banned.
What about freedom of speech?

I thought this forum was also about free thinking and the freedom of speech.

Sure carefulcarpenter can irritate people. Sometimes his writings irritate me. How come?

AND he contributes in various ways doesn't he?

And maybe he has a mutiple choice personality, its possible, i don't know. And frankly, i don't care, its a discussion board, right?
I agree with most of this. I was harassing CC too, but to me it was just amusing. I had no problem ignoring is boring posts, I just thought maybe I could draw him out on the multiple personality issues that are posted over at Kitty Radio.
It's true he was irritating and derailed threads, but that was only because other ND members couldn't restrain themselves from engaging him.

He wasn't abusive or threatening, he was just full of shit....like most of us at least some of the time.
Banning is pointless, because (according to the painstakingly detailed spiel about him at KR), he's an expert at creating aliases. Now he'll be back and you've forced him to operate at an even more insidious level. According that guy (13 Ravens), who also got banned here (and what was that about?), CC has at least one other active alias at ND, and I wouldn't be surprised if there are others. All I was looking for was transparency. If we know who's two, let the rest of the group know.

I recommend unbanning him and requiring an explanation of his MPD. At least then we'll know who he usually is.
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#2 Sun 4th May 2008 20:52pm BST
marklar
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Registered: Sat 26th Jan 2008
Re: CC Banning
Ignorance truly is bliss. I think I'm just to stupid to be offended by CC.

I like that story in the Carlos Castanada books where he was being stalked by the large cat ( that was actually one of Juans allies) and Don Juan asked him if it offended him. When Carlos said he wasn't offended by it, the cat was just doing what cats do, Don Juan told him he should have the same attitude towards his fellow humans. Hopefully I got the gist of the story correct. If not you can call me a dumbass, I won't be offended by it
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#3 Sun 4th May 2008 21:40pm BST
metaphor
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From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: Thu 14th Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
This whole thing affected me in a very negative way more than I expected it to do (just think of that the next time you type in a few letters on your keyboard). I sincerely hope that this will have an outcome that doesnt leave mistrust my own judgement and the very reason why I even started this journey in the first place.

Due to the fact that cc was being discussed in a very negative way in third person, I asked the simple question why this was going on.
(CC has never bothered me that way, though I know of all the dual personality issues some time back. In fact I think he was playing his Judas role very perfect. Someone that gives irritating answers and being liked by very few seemed to fit in nicely sometimes.

But as I clearly stated im totally new to this, and my very first post in a forum ever was like one month prior to NR closing down. Any warcrimes commited by cc until then was total news to me.
I just thought it was very unpleasant to see people post hostile stuff "en masse" aginst a single player. Thats not good sportsmanship and doesnt fit in in a forum where people state that they are seeking higher values and truths. Never mind if it is judas himself, the good ones dont act like a mob. Or am I wrong? Couldnt this have been handled by email?

Tom Paine wrote:

Thank you, blue.
I was on the verge of quitting ND.
You may well have saved the forum from complete disintegration.

Your desire to see the best in everyone is admirable,
but some of us are older and perhaps more seasoned in
sniffing out people who are up to no good, and who have no qualms
about taking advantage of other people's good will.

This is very fitting for the current Dark of the Moon.
And Neptune is conjunct the moon's node in Aquarius.
Sorry TP, not at all with you at that one. This is going to get some of us to be unconsciously selfmoderating and Spike is very clear on that part above, if everyone can be cc:s other alias everyone will suspect each other. Especially the "NEWBIES" as you put it in another post earlier on the same thread.
That will at its worst bring an unwanted "gestapo" effect. In other words the inner collapse and death of this forum.
I do not envy Blues job in moments like these. Though I suspected he waited until the last moment to boot cc, the mob won and we have this situation wich makes me feel very uncomfortable and reluctant to make any further posts.
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#4 Mon 5th May 2008 00:55am BST
Tom Paine
Tom Paine
Registered: Sat 2nd Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
You know, this is supposed to be a truth-seeking forum. At least that's what I thought.
And I think some other members want that to be the case. But if people like cc and
his alter egos and his minions are only interested in diluting, diverting and causing
conflict then WHO THE F*CK NEEDS THEM HERE?

GO DO YOUR FREE SPEECH AT GodlikeProductions.com and join the noise and
insanity of a bunch of chimpanzees on methedrine!!!
You'll play hell finding any TRUTH there!

And as to the Don Juan Carlos Castaneda reference, yes, you got that right.
But a cat is an animal who only does what cats do. And if cc is only a misguided,
deluded sociopath who only does what he does, then yes you can accept
them but you don't have to PUT UP WITH THEM.

Now if this forum is only about lightweight topics of this and that, without any
discernment being used and no real digging deeper into the great questions of
life, then let's just say that that's what it's about. And if that's the case, then
I no longer care to participate.

Many of the quality people who have already left the forum because of careless cockroach
were serious investigators of this and other realities and they would spend a lot
of TIME and EFFORT to carefully post their findings...ONLY TO HAVE IT SPEWED UPON
and diverted with some irrelevant, pseudo-scholarly bullshit from cc.

I understand that there are a bunch of young jerks who do forum busting as a game
and sport. Well, if we get invaded by a bunch of those little OP's then forums like
this are doomed and NOTHING OF VALUE will ever come of them.
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#5 Mon 5th May 2008 01:39am BST
voici
voici
Registered: Wed 30th Jan 2008
Re: CC Banning
CC Banning, great name for an author. I wrote that C's "shadow" script seemed to be lifted or scripted from the movie V for Vendetta. If you are not familiar with this movie do some research and see for yourself if the plot of the movie doesn't fit the CC agenda to "expose" us to the dangers of the "mob". One
of the themes from the movie V for Vendetta deals with fascist ideology which prescribes...cleansing society of unhealthy elements. I wrote that I was upset because I have to deal with this grappling issue everyday due to the work I do. Just to set the record straight, I am not in the business of cleansing society of unhealthy elements. That does sound rather suspicous. I do not support mobs, fascist ideology, extreme religious zealotry or those who abuse positions of power and I do not work for the sanitation department, yet on occasion, do require laxatives. Okay, that being said, I do thnk the power of the group can be used in good ways for example, the Enlightenment, Women's Liberation, the Civil Rights movement. ending the Vietnam War. Think of the bravery of a group of individuals who took on the Catholic Church regarding the hideous priest scandals. I don't think these movements were brought about by mob mentality. When loving friends and family members group together and share concerns about a loved ones' behavior they are not out to destroy the person they are discussing. I can assure you no one is jumping up and down with joy and exhiliration that CC has been banned. I can assure you that no one on this forum wants to play judge or juror. I can also assure you, from what I have gathered, that this forum is dedicated to unmasking the elements of our society that are unhealthy and looking for peaceful alternatives for a sustainable future. If anyone thinks that banning CC is akin to blowing up Parlimant or sending him to a concentration camp is way off the mark. Anyway, the CC debate is an important one because it does bring to light important philosophical, ethical, and moral dilemas of which I am not qualified to answer but it does open an opportunity for dialogue and open debate. Yes, I am ashamed of my poor sportmanship, poor grammar and my inappropriate fury in regards to my frustration regarding this issue and I hope to goodness that CC fairs well and that blue can get some well deserved R and R. Be Well All!
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#6 Mon 5th May 2008 09:00am BST
neXus
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From: Australia
Registered: Fri 1st Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
I have been away for a few days and can't find the threads or posts which deal with banning CC. Which ones are they?
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#7 Mon 5th May 2008 09:10am BST
metaphor
Karma police

From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: Thu 14th Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
Noble Dreams / The power of nightmares

Most of what led up cc:s ban is in this thread.
If I just could remember everything I know.
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#8 Mon 5th May 2008 11:47am BST
neXus
fool
From: Australia
Registered: Fri 1st Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
Thanks metaphor.
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#9 Mon 5th May 2008 14:36pm BST
treehugr
wandering

From: Virginia
Registered: Thu 31st Jan 2008
Re: CC Banning
voici wrote:

CC Banning, great name for an author. I wrote that C's "shadow" script seemed to be lifted or scripted from the movie V for Vendetta. If you are not familiar with this movie do some research and see for yourself if the plot of the movie doesn't fit the CC agenda to "expose" us to the dangers of the "mob". One
of the themes from the movie V for Vendetta deals with fascist ideology which prescribes...cleansing society of unhealthy elements. I wrote that I was upset because I have to deal with this grappling issue everyday due to the work I do. Just to set the record straight, I am not in the business of cleansing society of unhealthy elements. That does sound rather suspicous. I do not support mobs, fascist ideology, extreme religious zealotry or those who abuse positions of power and I do not work for the sanitation department, yet on occasion, do require laxatives. Okay, that being said, I do thnk the power of the group can be used in good ways for example, the Enlightenment, Women's Liberation, the Civil Rights movement. ending the Vietnam War. Think of the bravery of a group of individuals who took on the Catholic Church regarding the hideous priest scandals. I don't think these movements were brought about by mob mentality. When loving friends and family members group together and share concerns about a loved ones' behavior they are not out to destroy the person they are discussing. I can assure you no one is jumping up and down with joy and exhiliration that CC has been banned. I can assure you that no one on this forum wants to play judge or juror. I can also assure you, from what I have gathered, that this forum is dedicated to unmasking the elements of our society that are unhealthy and looking for peaceful alternatives for a sustainable future. If anyone thinks that banning CC is akin to blowing up Parlimant or sending him to a concentration camp is way off the mark. Anyway, the CC debate is an important one because it does bring to light important philosophical, ethical, and moral dilemas of which I am not qualified to answer but it does open an opportunity for dialogue and open debate. Yes, I am ashamed of my poor sportmanship, poor grammar and my inappropriate fury in regards to my frustration regarding this issue and I hope to goodness that CC fairs well and that blue can get some well deserved R and R. Be Well All!
My sentiments exactly Voici, I couldnt have said it better.
We will not discover our future, we create it. Ahead of us lies a new and supra-natural reality. ....And the golden face of the Buddha smiled across the ending of time.
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#10 Mon 5th May 2008 15:42pm BST
Ayahuasca
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From: London
Registered: Fri 22nd Feb 2008
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Re: CC Banning
Tom Paine wrote:

GO DO YOUR FREE SPEECH AT GodlikeProductions.com and join the noise and
insanity of a bunch of chimpanzees on methedrine!!!
You'll play hell finding any TRUTH there!
I think that's a very good point that's worth everyone remembering.

Personally I've always been fairly ambivalent to CC and don't have a strong feel towards him either way, but I think that banning him was needed to keep this forum peaceful.

I can completely understand why people might think it's never a good idea to ban anyone, however to see why it's sometimes a necessary evil, all you need to do is enter the human zoo known as GodlikeProductions.com

Moderation of a forum like this is not easy and sometimes difficult decisions need to be made that will never please everyone. I guess you either accept the decisions that are made, or find another forum.

Andy
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#11 Mon 5th May 2008 16:43pm BST
metaphor
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From: Stockholm, Sweden
Registered: Thu 14th Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
Point taken, and very thoughtful Ayahuasca.
Though if someone acyually would have seen beyond the banning issue, one would see I have not really been ranting about the ban itself. That is actually not my problem. My problem were that someone were spoken of in third person by many, in a negative way. Thats all.
Now lets go on and save the world...
If I just could remember everything I know.
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#12 Tue 6th May 2008 10:44am BST
molly
The Bees Sting, The Birds Poo on Your Car

From: La La Land
Registered: Thu 17th Apr 2008
Website
Re: CC Banning
Eh...to each their own I suppose. Me personally (and sorry if this offends anyone) all I see is a bunch of names and text on a forum, I can't see physical people nor hear their tone of voice and feel their "Real vibe" so I can't really tell who's trying to be an ass unless they come straight out with a "I HATE YOU ALL! BURN BURN BURN!". If I get any slight inclination that someone is trying to be an ass I just scroll down and read the next thing...whatever, you know?

P.S. As far as the multiple accounts goes; Don't the moderators have some sort of member tracking in their tools somewhere? Like where they can see who's logged in (even if the member chooses not to show when online), their I.P. address, which threads they're on, etc.. So if they saw a duplicate I.P. under two different names going into similar threads then that should solve the mystery...I don't know. I know i've used forum softwares before and they always had that feature in the admin tools, maybe not this one?
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#13 Tue 6th May 2008 14:41pm BST
Spike
to the point
Registered: Fri 14th Mar 2008
Re: CC Banning
molly wrote:

Eh...to each their own I suppose. Me personally (and sorry if this offends anyone) all I see is a bunch of names and text on a forum, I can't see physical people nor hear their tone of voice and feel their "Real vibe" so I can't really tell who's trying to be an ass unless they come straight out with a "I HATE YOU ALL! BURN BURN BURN!". If I get any slight inclination that someone is trying to be an ass I just scroll down and read the next thing...whatever, you know?
I totally agree. And that goes for any pseudo-intellectual gibberish as well. I fully expect anybody who sees my posts as pseudo-intellectual gibberish (or worse, of bunch of woo-hoo BS) to go right on by...and it's nice if they leave me alone about it. But...

Tom Paine wrote:

Many of the quality people who have already left the forum because of careless cockroach
were serious investigators of this and other realities and they would spend a lot
of TIME and EFFORT to carefully post their findings...ONLY TO HAVE IT SPEWED UPON
and diverted with some irrelevant, pseudo-scholarly bullshit from cc.
There are people, and CC seemed to fit the mold, who are driven to distract from the flow of a topic by endless posting in ways that turn the focus of discussions back on themselves and their narcissistic nature. It's a way of feeding on other's energy rather than contributing anything of substance themselves. They use various tricks and tactics as a cover...as TP says "irrelevant, pseudo-scholarly" writing, along with filling the pages with many links to things of interest only to themselves, then they cloak it all in phony compassion and empty compliments. In the end they've sapped your energy and nothing got accomplished towards furthering the discussion. Unless, as you suggest...there is that scroll bar.
I'm assuming this is what TP is saying he saw in CC, though there may be more...

Here's a link to some articles about the organic portal theory that you might find useful:

Transcending the Control System: Matrix Agents: Profiles and Analysis (Part I) … sis-part-i

molly wrote:

P.S. As far as the multiple accounts goes; Don't the moderators have some sort of member tracking in their tools somewhere? Like where they can see who's logged in (even if the member chooses not to show when online), their I.P. address, which threads they're on, etc.. So if they saw a duplicate I.P. under two different names going into similar threads then that should solve the mystery...I don't know. I know i've used forum softwares before and they always had that feature in the admin tools, maybe not this one?
I wonder about this too, it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult tell if two members were using the same IP. This is why I think it's worthless to ban CC. Most likely he wouldn't be posting through a static IP, and now he'll just re-register and be back as some other version of himself.
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#14 Yesterday 08:34am BST
Feritciva
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Registered: Mon 25th Feb 2008
Re: CC Banning
Spike wrote:

I wonder about this too, it doesn't seem like it would be that difficult tell if two members were using the same IP. This is why I think it's worthless to ban CC. Most likely he wouldn't be posting through a static IP, and now he'll just re-register and be back as some other version of himself.
Ok, I don't know what's going on with CC, as I don't read his posts. So maybe I'll derail the thread but what Spike wrote above is exactly a summary of 3D reincarnation it seems. I always wondered why should sociopaths and dark souls come here again & again making new tragedies, pains, conflicts etc. Because our awareness in 3D is just like being regular forum members here. We can't see IP adresses, we don't know whereabouts we connect from, we don't know each other, we only communicate through some nicknames & avatars. These nicknames & avatars can not reflect us, it can only be related with some of our thoughts, likes, affinities etc. The name Feritciva and a tiger pic represents some meaning to me and do not give any clue to you about me. Ok, here we are on 3D stage. Just as we connect from very different areas in the world but sharing the same virtual space in ND forum, our core beings/spirits resides in far off places I believe. But here we are seemingly "together" on 3d earth. Pure illusion says the ancient texts & philosophers.

Now enter the Law of Freewill. Possibly just as CC may enter to this forum with a different nickname, some negative souls may enter again & again to this 3D experience (whoops, this analogy does not mean CC is a negative soul, as I said I didn't read any of his posts, I don't know him - this is a general metaphor). And here we are living in this mess. 3D sucks. Unfortunately this is what I strongly feel in spite of sunsets, beautiful nature, girls, rock music and raki (traditional Turkish alcoholic beverage, veeery delicious ) When I look around I see it is US who create this mess (us as we and US as United States ). Because no being prevents negative/dark/slow-learner souls to enter to 3D again & again.

Ok now what was this thread about?

P.S: Some of u may see the continuation of above analogy. Some souls may act as forum-keepers. They may have the ability to see the "IP-numbers" of each member. May ban the member once they enter. Possibly what is called as "Keepers" or "Watchers" are these souls/beings. And possibly they have very limited chance to interfere with 3D.

P.S II: One more step (somebody stop me!); sometimes these forum-keepers may decide that the experience/experiment is out of hand and must be terminated. Montalk did this a while ago. Possibly we may see this on 3D earth soon.
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#15 Yesterday 10:02am BST
SiriArc
AD VO ZIN

From: Denver
Registered: Thu 31st Jan 2008
Re: CC Banning
N D Is About 3 Months Old.

cc = 363 "posts" .......
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#16 Yesterday 11:35am BST
anonymousoneuk
Member
Registered: Wed 7th May 2008
Re: CC Banning
Mmmm.....

I'm gonna "weigh in", but i have a feeling this might get me "knocked out"...

(I just had that number thing happen again and it's 10.55, i will take this as a sign i should... Tom Paine, you above posted at 00.55, i noticed as i read the thread, maybe this means, you'll have some kind of opinion to offer on what i'm going to post, we'll see...)

I have only just joined this forum and i can see opinions are divided over CC.

I haven't personally encountered him directly in a thread, i skimmed the above linked thread and so i'll offer my perspective.

Some of you i know have come from Noble Realms forum, i was for a time a member of the NR forum.

I could probably be said to have been considered the CC of the old forum, some of you may know who i am, but i don't want to post my identity publicly, those that don't know who i am can PM me if do wish to know...

Looking back, all i can really say about all that was, i was having a hard time, i was struggling with reality on many levels in many ways.

So feeling now that i have come out the other side, i would say that, at the time i feel that negative energy was directed towards me and that i was being ganged up on and treated unfairly, but now i would say, i still feel that was the case, but i don't blame you.

I don't know if the way i was handled or CC was handled was or is right or wrong, but it's generally optimal not to throw negative energy around, even in retaliation to someone else directing it at you.

To be honest, i didn't see CC doing that, i just saw him being abit egocentric and struggling a little with himself, that's pretty much how i was, until i was drawn into a conflict and my ghetto instincts kicked in and i was banned.

I can see how a person like CC might be irritating, but it's clear that not everyone was irritated by him.

I don't know who's right or wrong in this issue, the only thing i can say is, getting banned from NR did me quite alot of good and while i think any suggestion i was a sociopath an OP or a "Blackhole" was unfair, my forum edicate was not optimal, i'm happy to take responsibility for what happened.

My final word will be, that if a person irritates you, it's not neccessarily because they are a negative entity, it could just be because your particularily irritated by that type of personaility and at the end of the day, CC wasn't the one throwing negative energy and names around.

So in short negative energy was bad and being banned did me no harm and i was a disturbance to the forum (although i was rather accepting of this when i was told this, until Lyra escalated things IMO), so maybe it will be good for CC.

Bless

P.s I'd like to apologise to former NR members for some of my behaviour...
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#17 Yesterday 14:00pm BST
anonymousoneuk
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Registered: Wed 7th May 2008
Re: CC Banning
Lol, i just editted my last post at 1.55, when i began writing it at 10.55, i'm not exagerating when i say that these syncs are a continuous flow, it occurs many multiple times per hour, sorry to detract, just thought it noteworthy, i'll stop now...

Bless

P.s I'd like to pose a question in this thread, rather than start a seperate one, does Montalk ever visit this forum?

Peace
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#18 Yesterday 14:40pm BST
treehugr
wandering

From: Virginia
Registered: Thu 31st Jan 2008
Re: CC Banning
Im really so done with all this but I just wanted to make one more comment. I know that there are some of you that dont understand or agree with what went on with CC. I give folks credit for trying to look for the good in people, and ignoring other people's eccentricities and all. I will give myself some credit though for being able to read (intuit, whatever you want to call it) when Im being messed with. At my age (early fifties, Im no spring chicken) Ive gotten pretty good over the yrs. Back when CC was on NR as titmouse and who knows what else, he got somewhat lost in the shuffle because there were so many posters, so it was easier just to stay away from him. Not so here. If you carefully read some of his posts, he was very good at insulting people with nice words. Im not saying he did it all the time, but he did have a way of jumping in on a thread and getting people's ire up. He was trying to mess with folks here, plain and simple. Just because he used poetry doesnt make him all sugar and butterflies. Its done, its over with, it wasnt an easy decision for Blue to make. The whole situation was not taken lightly by the moderators, many agonized over it. Now can we please move on?

In answer to anonymousonek's question.....I doubt Montalk would come here and probably doesnt. This definately isnt his cup of tea if you really paid attention at NR.
We will not discover our future, we create it. Ahead of us lies a new and supra-natural reality. ....And the golden face of the Buddha smiled across the ending of time.
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#19 Yesterday 16:04pm BST
Spike
to the point
Registered: Fri 14th Mar 2008
Re: CC Banning
SiriArc wrote:

cc = 363 "posts"
A very revealing statistic.
I totaled up all the posts, and CC's were about 11.5% of all the ND entries, and it's not taking into account any other aliases.

anonymousoneuk wrote:

I can see how a person like CC might be irritating, but it's clear that not everyone was irritated by him.

My final word will be, that if a person irritates you, it's not neccessarily because they are a negative entity, it could just be because your particularily irritated by that type of personaility and at the end of the day, CC wasn't the one throwing negative energy and names around.
No, but his approach seemed to hook people both positively and negatively. He did seem to distract, divert and absorb energy.
Personally, I think he was a challenge to the ND group to play with the organic portal principle from the safety of cyberspace, a much better venue for it than say, in a workplace or family situation, which is where OP interactions generally occur. It could have been about learning to use the scroll bar, informing each other when energy is being "stolen", and expanding awareness...ostensibly what we're here for.

Feritciva wrote:

Because our awareness in 3D is just like being regular forum members here....
Pure illusion says the ancient texts & philosophers.
Except for when people progress to phone calls, actual visits, relationships, business partnerships, etc...just to let you know that all is possible, though also understanding how that would be a little more difficult from your geographical location. NR/ND can also seen be an expansion of each of our localities, because obviously it's hard to interact with (or maybe to find) many people from the points of view that are shared here.

Feritciva wrote:

...sometimes these forum-keepers may decide that the experience/experiment is out of hand and must be terminated. Montalk did this a while ago. Possibly we may see this on 3D earth soon.
Let's hope NR isn't setting an example for 3d earth. Montalk was god there...IMO he was both creator and destroyer of his domain. Despite that fact that he's a brilliant metaphysician and also well respected among many of the players in ND, I don't see him as a personality to be emulated.

anonymousoneuk wrote:

So in short negative energy was bad and being banned did me no harm and i was a disturbance to the forum (although i was rather accepting of this when i was told this, until Lyra escalated things IMO), so maybe it will be good for CC.
Having been banned there as well, I found it was good not to be wasting so much time with all the discourse when I needed to be doing real things. All the same, in my case Montalk was both disrespectful and disingenuous. I feel I'm being overly diplomatic in putting it this way, but I don't want to offend his idolizers. I know who I am, he had no idea, yet he smugly made pronouncements on the board that caused me to see him and his metaphysics in a very different way.
I'm fine with it, because it allowed for my expansion beyond the illusion of what I thought I'd seen as a higher purpose behind NR.
Now if this saying these things gets me thrown out of ND, so be it. I have more real world work than I'm getting to anyway.

As for the "escalation" factor that you mention...
Every worthwhile organization I've come across seems to have one of those close to the heart of it...a personality who continually keeps it offtrack, out of focus and unable to accomplish anything that might actually affect the control network in a real way. These individuals (if individuals they are) are an integral factor in the strategy of "the war" here.
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#20 Today 07:44am BST
anonymousoneuk
Member
Registered: Wed 7th May 2008
Re: CC Banning
Someone was playing games with this forum from another forum?

http://kittyradio.com/soapbox/introduct … -ring.html

Scroll down half way...

Apparently there is somekind of "Jihad" going on against CC.

Try not to get annoyed by how this person speaks of our forum, there's no point at getting mad wtih the unawakened...

Bless
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#21 Today 16:33pm BST
Transcix
Setian Lightworker shaman
From: Montreal
Registered: Fri 14th Mar 2008
Re: CC Banning
^^^^ That's pretty interesting, I must take a closer look at it later.

The thing I would like to point out is that, in the nightmares thread, CC's original reply was not some pseudo intellectual poetry, but a direct quote from the documentary's opening lines. I hope this was considered when CC was banned?

Banned by the pressures from OPs who could not face their own shadow projections, I would guess.

Sophia_ · #8 05-08-2008, 10:07 AM

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neXus
fool
From: Australia
Registered: Fri 1st Feb 2008
Re: Goodbye Noble Dreams!

Obviously some posters are driven to visceral distraction by CC . CC is not perfect and contrary to his own assesment he is not free. When he discusses his thoughts he is a helluva smart guy. His poetry is good and on occasion it is great. Since the criticism of his poetic approach to posting he dropped it to a large extent and expressed himself in a more straightforward manner. But like anyone he will not yield the ideas which he believes are true. I've had no problem leaving him to his personal agenda, such as it was in his own mind, and as provocative as it was on occasion. I've seen him 'misbehave' on the odd occasion and i've called him on it a couple of times. He took it well and didn't seek to subtley undermine me for it, and, perhaps due to my personal comfort level with him i didn't notice any outrageous "crap things" he dished out to other people. That is with the exception of his reply to Lonesome Dove during the "multiple ID issue" when he chose to stonewall and provoke LD rather than answer her simple question (emotion was running high on all sides),,, and his maintenance here at Noble Dreams of the conflict he had with Lyra at NR. He shouldn't have done that. As far as i can tell the Multiple ID issue is at worst, still unresolved.

I liked lyra and i thought she was honest, fearless and straightforward in her interaction with CC as she saw it. She wasn't rude to him and neither was CC in reply and you can't ask more than that in a civil disagreement. But CC caried it on here and he shouldn't have because Lyra was not here to answer him. That's what i called him on here and even though he didn't continue to fight over it overtly, a person needs time to surrender their inner conflicts. That is obvious because although he dropped it earlier he brought the problem up again as he was getting booted out of here.

It has been said here that CC said crap things about people in the "nicest possible way". "Crap things" are usually things which a person finds personally confronting in a dissagreement. And i don't mean personal things either but philosophical disagreements taken personally. That is the prime yardstick it seems and generally speaking, most people just want to remain comfortable in their perception of themselves and their world. I have heard comments here from some people along the lines that "we know what is true now ... let's get on with saving the world.... let's not concern ourselves with the rude interuptions of people who don't know what we know..... things will be different here.... we don't have to cover old ground.... etc". There's nothing at all wrong with that in a private group or dinner party setting with likeminded friends. If people want to choose personal comfort, the bonds of familiarity, and intellectual certainty over an Open Forum then that's fine too. But in an Open Forum (not open slather----- there must be reasonable censorship of mean behavior), a very wide tolerance must be displayed for dissenters. It allows everyone the opportunity to explain why they hold their views and it allows an examination of HOW people express their views. This is equally important.

Flick the paid agents and trolls if any are found but other than that don't too quickly suppose that a disagreement is a "hand grenade" calculated by "OP's" to feed off negative energy This happens sometimes for sure but don't too quickly imagine it just because a consensus view is directly met with 180 degree dissent. Freedom to hold an opposing POV, so long as it is honestly and reasonably expressed in a group, is universally understood and must be remembered during interpersonal conflicts. That's the test. The ego can hide behind a mistaken belief that the other person is a calculating, bottom feeding "OP" because superiority and self- justification are the supreme comforts of a bruised ego. But you don't need a lecture from me about that....... although this seems like one. I just know that without tolerance for people of goodwill and reason (the rare aberration excepted---- everyone has a bad day), a very similar attitude to that of the US Govt can develop in any group whatsoever..... "Are you in? or out?". The Supreme Soviet is not far behind. I happen to believe that within almost everyone is a soviet dictator just busting to get out, and the aquisition of a little power can easily prove it. The evidence is everywhere we care to look especially the relationship between the Governments and peoples of the world.

I like voici a lot. Great sense of humour and a passion for freedom. I'm sorry she's leaving and that i didn't get to engage her some more. Same with Prances Fences, gapz and some others who left. It's a bit tragic really. But i thought voici's reaction to CC was over the top and for a paragraph or two i thought it was one of her jokes. She did this during the "multiple ID" fiasco and at that time she called CC everything it seemed but a pedophile. I thought she was joking then too but now i see she wasn't. So i think banning CC was an over reaction, which has lead to further over-reactions all-round. We've lost some talent here lately.

Sophia_ · #9 05-08-2008, 10:13 AM

Noble Dreams / The power of nightmares

Solly Coleslaw · #10 05-08-2008, 01:00 PM

What is all this? Who are you addressing? Who do you think cares enough to read any of this?