I seriously do not understand how any woman especially could conform to such a faith:

enesis 3:16 Says that all women must suffer great pains during child birth due to Eve eating the fruit of knowledge. (As if it is somehow just that humans should pay for their ancestor’s sins nor is a woman dying in labor some how befitting of a crime she did not commit.) The verse finishes of by saying a husband shall “rule” over his woman, stripping us off all power in between the sexes.

Genesis 19:8 Tells of a man named Lot who offers his daughters to a crowd of would be angel rapers. Later, Lot impregnates his own daughters after God kills his wife for simply looking back at the remains of her city.

Genesis 38:16-24 Tells a very interesting story of a man named Judah whom lived with his widowed daughter in law. His daughter in law was grieving and wearing the veils of mourning which Judah (a rather stupid man) mistook for the clothing of a prostitute. He ended up impregnating his daughter in law and she left the city. On a later date Judah sees the young woman again and demanded she be burned for being a prostitute (I like how only the woman is punished when THEY BOTH engaged in the sexual act). It wasn’t until Judah recognized the woman as his daughter in law and she was with his child, that he decided not to kill her. Basically, Judah can commit incest, use a prostitute (in his mistaken perception), and impregnate a MUCH younger woman, yet he thinks she is the one deserving of death.

Exodus 21:3-4 Says that if a male slave is given a wife by his master (regardless of how long they are wed, how much they love each other or if they have kids) he can not leave servanthood with his wife or children. The woman and children are merely property of the master and their personal happiness or sanctity of family doesn’t matter.

Exodus 21:7 God not only sanctions selling ones daughter into slavery, but he also gives out laws on how it should be done.

Exodus 21:10 God ordains men taking several wives and even sets up laws as to how multiple wives should be handled.

Leviticus 12:1-8 Explains that a woman has to be purified after giving birth because she is “unclean”. It goes on to say that birthing a male is cleaner then birthing a female, hence a mother must purify TWICE as long when having a daughter. This is BLATANT sexism from the point of birth. A woman is dirty simply for being a woman; this is obviously very biased and chauvinistic.

Leviticus 15:19-30 Explains that a woman having her menstruation must be avoided to the point of not even touching what she has touched. It is quite curious that women are punished for simply having a biological function that “God” claims to have created. What is so just about vilifying what you created?

Leviticus 18:19 Goes onto say that even LOOKING at a menstruating woman is wrong.

Leviticus 19:20 Says that if a man has sex with a slave or betrothed woman he must then “scourge” her. Scourging is a term for a severe flogging or whipping. I find it quite curious that the woman shall be punished to the point of a beating for such an occurrence, yet the man gets to go free for the deed.

Leviticus 21:9 Explains that unchaste daughters of priests must be burnt to death. What about his unchaste sons? Of course this isn’t even answered in the Torah, we are to assume yet again that men have the power to do as they wish and a woman must suffer the punishment for BOTH of them.

Leviticus 27:3-7 God places a dollar value on human life; with women worth less than men.

Numbers 1:2 Is the basis for the sexism that remains rampant today. In this verse Moses takes a poll of all the men who are able to fight in war, women aren’t even counted in the census. Apparently back then, just like today, us women are considered the weaker species and unable to battle. (Let’s not forget that during the time the Pentateuch was written women in Pagan cultures were FEARED and revered as the more powerful species. It is because of this patriarchal religion and it’s offshoots that we have been reduced to cowering sub-humans.)

Numbers 30:3-16 A woman can’t make a vow unless her husband allows it.

Numbers 31: 14-18 Moses tells his men to kill all the males, non-virginal women, elderly and children of the Midianite tribe. Of course, the virgin women are kept for raping. If you read later down in the scripture God states that the Jews can not even marry a Midianite woman (with exception to Moses). Hence these women who were captured were repeatedly raped and impregnated and they weren’t even allowed a marital status in which to protect them.

Deuteronomy 20:13-15 Kill all the men and boys in the cities that God “delivers into your hands,” but keep the women for raping.

Deuteronomy 21:11-14 If you see a pretty woman among the captives then just take her home and “go in unto her.”

Deuteronomy 22:5 Women that wear men’s clothing are an “abomination unto the Lord.”

Deuteronomy 22:13-22 Women, be sure to keep the tokens of your virginity. Otherwise the men of your city may stone you to death. This does not apply to men though, of course. What is interesting to note here is the actual wording, it says : “that if a man hateth his wife he may say she did not have the tokens of her virginity”. Since there is no way a woman can truly prove she had a hymen upon marriage the word rests on the husband and she can be disposed of simply when he tires of her.

Deuteronomy 22:23-24 is one of the most cruel and sexist passages of the Torah. It says that women who are raped and fail to “cry out loud” in a populated area are most likely enjoying the attack should be killed.

Deuteronomy 22:28-29 A rapist must buy his victim from her father for 50 shekels. Is this supposed to be some type of retribution? What about the victim here, what if she doesn’t want to marry a pig who raped her? All that matters is her father receives payment for his “property”.

Deuteronomy 25:11-12 Says that we must cut off a woman’s hand if she touches the “secrets” of a man who is fighting with her husband…“And thine eye shall not pity her.” Once again, there is no punishment for the man she touched, only the woman.

[/God Assists Rape and Plunder (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)



Lo, a day shall come for the Lord when the spoils shall be divided in your midst. And I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem for battle: the city shall be taken, houses plundered, women ravished; half of the city shall go into exile, but the rest of the people shall not be removed from the city. (Zechariah 14:1-2 NAB)




Sorry, women, but it is these religions (Not Just Christianity) that have caused thousands of years of prejudice and evil and making women believe they are stupid and should simply bow down to their husbands and yet women dare defend these "Holy" Books. I am a proud feminist and I'm not afraid to cite these HORRIFIC quotes from the Bible.

My aunt was at a wedding the other day and she said all the minister talked about was mens power over women and how women should obey men, i'd have punched the old bastard in the cock.

I'm not doing this for attention or controversy or whatever.


But I can't remember what feminist said this, but it is true - Straight men rape women and gays EVERDAY - They violate our rights as human beings to freedom and the potential to be the person we can be.

And EVERY CHRISTIAN WOMAN AND EVERY WOMAN PERIOD HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS ABOUT A CRIME THAT HAPPENS TO WOMEN EVERY DOZENS OF SECONDS.

And because of the way men are portrayed, male rape isn't even considered serious.

Eh, I don't care so much for the second post, (mainly because, you know, ama not a rapist and am not interested in being tarred with your giant brush)

Whats the deal with the whole bible thing?

You either accept it and shut the fuck up, or disregard it, and shut the fuck up.
(I think there's a pattern here, don't you?)

It is what it is. A book by retards, for retards, used by cleaver men to control retards.

That is very true, of course, and I shouldn't, and no one should obsess over negativity. But I guess what I'm trying to say is that it effects us everyday, and has shaped society into horrid corruption.
Straight men [generally speaking] refuse to show emotion, thanks to their fathers, and their mothers, too, if they're brainwashed right along. Therefore, straight men become prone to become abusive (Whether it be physical, psychological, emotional, whatever) and much more easily susceptible to depression. It has been proven women deal much better emotionally - My grandparents that I'm forced to live with are the most conservative people I know, religious extremists, very, very old-fashioned, and even my grandfather admits that it is true that women are much stronger emotionally.

Women and Gay men show their emotions when it is appropriate, and sometimes they don't even bother holding it in, knowing that the longer they keep it in, the worse it'll get. And then we're looked on as "the weaker ones" because we know not to be self-destructive because of stupid social stigmas. Idiotic men will say the fact that we reveal our emotions makes us weaker, but it makes us STRONGER, as we have healthy coping mechanisms while men are taught to "take it like a man and deal with it".

Testosterone is known to be prominent in men, and therefore making men stronger then women physically. It is proven the more testosterone you have in your system, the more aggressive and egotistical you become - Which of course can translate into all sorts of abuse. Not always, obviously, but my point is society's image of a man is to be big and strong, but when there is an overflow of testosterone, it just makes men feel more and more dominant and causes negative behaviors in general.

Estrogen is known to be prominent in women, and therefore women are taught they are much weaker than men, with special thanks to the current major religions of the world. You can laugh, and say what the fuck, women are much weaker then men! It is true it is much easier for men to become very strong then it is for women. But in ancient pagan cultures, where women were considered *****omg****** equal, women were FIERCE AND FEARED warriors, and considered superior. Because guess what? Society has told women they're weak, but the truth is, a woman can be extremely strong. I'm seventeen, and I work at a grocery store, and it just really bothers me every time a woman makes the man carry all of her groceries, not even helping with the lightest bag. If you want to be treated like an equal, act like one. But it's not all their fault - Our society, influenced by a brainwashing religion, manipulates them.
But there's no arguing women are MUCH stronger internally. This is something gay men can't relate to. Women have to go through the pain of menstruation, which I really don't think men think about much. We just think it is something that happens to women and is natural, but we never really compare and contrast on that level. We have no such cycle at all. Us men don't have to worry about that field at all - And by God am I grateful. They have to bleed every month and go through all that pain for the sake of human survival. And to top it off, women are the TRUE CREATORS OF SOCIETY, and they have to push A SEVERAL POUND HUMAN BEING out of their vagina after holding it in them for nine months and then going through the pain of delivery. Giving birth is considered the most painful human experience - And yet women are much weaker, right? They have this huge responsibility and have to go through the most painful human experience, and if it were up to men to do it, we wouldn't.
And since I've neglected us gay men, we really do get the best of both worlds. We get the brilliance of a woman, and yet we get to be men - And because of that fact alone, sadly, we automatically have more chances and respect from the get. Of course, gays are of the most discriminated of the world Though, at least, in Western Society, sixty percent of Americans have never regularly attended Church, and especially in my generation, homophobia is lame. At my old high school, there were lots of openly gay kids, and we had gay homecoming kings more than once and the out people tended to be very popular.
But regardless gay men put up a front all the time to continue on, because we know what it is like to have to truly survive. But look around - Everyone knows gay people climb right up the career ladder and one of the stereotypes about gay men, especially (a good one, though) is that they always strive and seem to get a lot of success. And that just shows that potential is taken away from 51 percent of the population (ha!) because they lack a penis.
And it was these Holy Books that caused this.

I wish I didn't drive so much emotion into these posts. I wish I could just write out everything fact-to-fact and be politically correct and factual at the same time, but that's not me - When it comes to equality and justice, I feel too strongly.
I don't want to draw attention to myself at all - Just to the issues itself. I just want people to KNOW.

Ohmigosh, I never met a submissive woman...

And then there is this Santa is Satan thing..

Santa Claus is Satan!

And what about the priest raping all those little boys....

Are you saying the majority or Ireland are retards?

When I saw scenes from shows blocked out on tv cause it might be offensive to people of the catholic faith (it was a scene involving gay men) and Beth on Dog the Bounty Hunters cleavage BLURRED OUT because it is "offensive" I had to wonder to what extent these retards will go.

The scary thing about them is they have power.

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I didn't know that, I've never really spent time reading the proper bible tbh
Shit, I was going to start attending church again 'til you posted that

The thing is it is common knowledge among Christians that God literally DIRECTLY inspired the Bible and I have heard the expression "It's as if I gave you a pen and told you what to write, but I still really wrote it."
There are 28 different versions of the King James Bible in itself I believe - There goes the unaltered word of God. But if people knew what the Bible REALLY said, they wouldn't think that anymore and it might even sink in the bullshit they've been fed all their lives.

It seems like such a violent religion, but they always claim they forgive and what not

I'm glad I am not a part of it. It's all just nonsense.

God got on lithium between the Old Testament and has happily reported his success. He came from killing infants, assisting and condoning rape, murdering those who weren't his chosen ones, and having every extreme of the human emotion to becoming a loving, all-forgiving God - Only catch being you still have the gun to your head (Or wait, they call it "free will" to choose).

I do believe it is people who do evil to people, not a book. The book may embolden certain sexist people to do things like rape and domestic violence, but it doesn't cause them to do it. Those types would do it whether the book said so or not. The book just justifies it in their minds. It's a book written by people of the same mindset. So, those with that mindset use the book to justify their atrocious actions. If the book didn't exist, those types would make one up just to justify their actions. That's probably the case now.

There is that, ya. I think most Christians focus on the New Testament cuz, uh, Christ is in that. They follow his teachings. You really need a card-carrying Christian to defend these points but I wanna try.

But well, main thing these stories were written in a different time, by men that were influenced strongly by their culture of the day. I think they inserted a lot of their misogyny into it, and that came from not from the spirit of God, but how women were treated in those days, which probably was an ongoing thing, since the cave-man days.

It's a book ... How direct the connection between the writers and God I dunno ... How perfect was that connection. Was it made imperfect cuz the writers were humans from that time, and they could only write what their mind told them? Fanatics that claim we gotta follow everything in the Bible, word for word, well, that's a mistake I think cuz like I say, it's culturally backward and the writers weren't perfect.

Besides, those are stories ... by being stories in the Bible is everything everyone does in them condoned by God? I dunno what part of each story is condoned and what not ...

The usual angry intolerant reply of the atheist ... actually it's more dumb than most I've seen, but other than that, typical. Don't bother discuss it! Attack and insult and hope you scare everyone away. That's the scientific method! Oh, wait, it's not. It's the method of a bully.

Perhaps nothing happens for you, but by concluding from that it doesn't happen for others, you are being very unscientific.

And what's 'cleaver men' smarty-pants?

Soz. I can't spell. Sue me.
If you can't work out what I mean, then disregard me
Whatever made you think I'm an atheist?
Um, whats there to discuss?
The 'Good Book' condones rape.
Should you listen to the book?
Should you follow its teachings?

I suppose so, huh?

If you let yourself be controlled by organised religion, then ... I suppose so. Some are better than others though I guess.
I can really only speak for mine, which is pretty shitty


Yeah. It is frightening, and may never change.

It's inane to begrudge a person for their beliefs. Some people are just brought up differently to you and I. Our beliefs are, in essence, the product of much brainwashing which can be for better or for worse. Take Islamic women, for example. It is obvious to you and I that their religion obligates them to be grossly mistreated, so why do the majority of them happily accept it? Because they don't know any better. It is inevitable for your morals to be based on your knowledge, and some people have had very limited exposure as regards to what is right and what is wrong. In the same way that Christians cannot decide whether rape is right or wrong, It is out of our hands to decide what it acceptable and what is not. For all we know, our idea of morality could be very wrong in that we were brought up as ignorant.

So don't hate all Christians as rapists, pity them as victims to their beliefs who need to be re-educated.

I only pointed it out cuz you were acting like you were so smart calling everybody retards and meanwhile you can't spell cleverer...

I don't follow teachings cuz I'm not a follower. People are controlled more ways than just thru religion ... yer controlled by the media, ads, big corporations, etc ...

Anywayz, yep there are some stories in the Old Testament that condone bad things done to women ...

All these books are written by different people are different times. And re-written and translated ... who knows what the originals were, they were originally passed on by word of mouth, these ones ... some misogynist writer re-writes a story dating from the Flood ... it's gonna get twisted ...And the Church come along and put this and this together and call it the Bible, and everything thinks they gotta follow it word for word ... well I don't agree with that part of it.

But lotta good stuff in the New Testament ... and Revelations is always scary ...

Any book you can learn stuff from ...