Italy's Padre Pio 'faked his stigmata with acid'
By Malcolm Moore in Rome
Padre Pio, Italy's most-loved saint, faked his stigmata by pouring carbolic acid on his hands, according to a new book.

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The Other Christ: Padre Pio and 19th Century Italy, by the historian Sergio Luzzatto, draws on a document found in the Vatican's archive.


Padre Pio exhibited stigmata throughout his life, starting in 1911
The document reveals the testimony of a pharmacist who said that the young Padre Pio bought four grams of carbolic acid in 1919.

"I was an admirer of Padre Pio and I met him for the first time on 31 July 1919," wrote Maria De Vito.

She claimed to have spent a month with the priest in the southern town of San Giovanni Rotondo, seeing him often.

"Padre Pio called me to him in complete secrecy and telling me not to tell his fellow brothers, he gave me personally an empty bottle, and asked if I would act as a chauffeur to transport it back from Foggia to San Giovanni Rotondo with four grams of pure carbolic acid.

"He explained that the acid was for disinfecting syringes for injections. He also asked for other things, such as Valda pastilles."

The testimony was originally presented to the Vatican by the Archbishop of Manfredonia, Pasquale Gagliardi, as proof that Padre Pio caused his own stigmata with acid.

It was examined by the Holy See during the beatification process of Padre Pio and apparently dismissed.

Padre Pio, whose real name was Francesco Forgione, died in 1968. He was made a saint in 2002. A recent survey in Italy showed that more people prayed to him than to Jesus or the Virgin Mary. He exhibited stigmata throughout his life, starting in 1911.

The new allegations were greeted with an instant dismissal from his supporters. The Catholic Anti-Defamation League said Mr Luzzatto was a liar and was "spreading anti-Catholic libels".

Pietro Siffi, the president of the League, said: "We would like to remind Mr Luzzatto that according to Catholic doctrine, canonisation carries with it papal infallibility.

"We would like to suggest to Mr Luzzatto that he dedicates his energies to studying religion properly."

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Stigmata isn't real? I can handle that concept.

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well, I found it amazing that every old biddy here has his mug hanging off of a keychain and think he's a bona fide saint. I needed to tell, the underexposure of this story is killing me and I haven't seen the car window stickers taken down yet.......

Well she's wrong, and that's what matters. Old biddies tend to think they're right. The cunts.

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Many people should look things up before accusing Padre Pio. I have much experience regarding Padre Pio, but I have just one question:

If he was stupid enough to burn his hands with acid for 50 years of his life, how the heck did he manage to get rid of the hole in 20-odd days,? His stigmata started disappearing just before he died, and the last crust fell off the evening before he died. There was no sign of the stigmata from then on - not even scarring. His skin was like that of a person who had never been scarred in those regions of his body. Most old aged people will tell you that healing isn't easy in old age.

Go on, I challenge you. Burn any part of your body (with acid, or whatever you like) only a few times, and take note of two things: how your wound didn't heal in only a few days, and how you can't get rid of the scar.

My aunt burnt her foot with a drop of boiling coffee when she was seven years old (and yes, it was only a drop of coffee), and she still bears the signs now, and she's nearly 40.

Let me go put another sticker on my car...

Oh, and I forgot....

VIVA PADRE PIO

2 posts eh?
and who are you...."Antonio"?
I just love these blow ins.

Either way, he made quickie with the ladies and that's a no-no with the church.

No, I'm not "Antonio" - and what do you care who I am? It's not the point.

It's a shame to still hear people believe in some allegations against Padre Pio. You couldn't reply my question about the acid leaving no marks, so you "either way" it, and go onto the next defamation.

Maybe you still haven't understood it, but all these allegations were false. He did nothing with women, except confession and mass. Where did you get that from? Do you think you are superior to the Devil's Advocate in a canonization? Have you ever asked yourself why the allegations were dismissed?

Have you ever been in contact with anyone who witnessed Padre Pio's works (no only the material ones, but his carismas)?

The answer to this last question is "no". You have no idea.

Study the above, and then come back to post your rubbish about quickies and no-nos.

Another suggestion... be more polite to others (whether they have 2 posts or not), and avoid the "and who are you" attitude - it'll do you well!

Oh, and BTW - I'm not one of those who goes to church or goes preaching... I just can't stand rubbish talk.

PS Antonio was my big brother. He died not so long ago.

:weepz:

Stigmata is a bigger crock than Crocs.

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Maybe you should try it and show us? These allegations are clearly a test of your faith.

To be honest though, I've never really got what stigmata is supposed to prove. I get the myth around it, but it seems like there's always a lot more people claiming to be stigmatic in the world than there were apostles, and all of their believers tend to defend them equally vocally. They can't all be right, unless someone got it wrong hundreds of years back.

Um... citing charisma as evidence seems a bit... I dunno.... fishy? Unless it has come other meaning.

No, thank you. I can't understand why I should try, and why Padre Pio would either. I think the marks that would be left would be permanent. Don't want none of that, thanks! In any case, the results would be all very similar to fire burns, of course all depending on the amount of exposure and depth into body tissues. Padre Pio's wounds were deep (you could nearly see through his hands) - I'm sure he would have had trouble healing.

I have difficulty in believing that THOUSANDS of people claim to have been "mind-read" by PP, to have seen him in places he couldn't have been (bilocation), to have heard him predict future events, and that they are all not saying the truth, even esteemed people such as JPII. Maybe he knew them all?

Yes, I can understand when people say that there can be a logical and scientifical explanation - but where is it? All I hear are allegations that, in one way or another, have been proved wrong.

I can't argue about the many people claiming to be stigmatised around the world, because I'm not informed enough to comment. I can't approve or disapprove, because I simply have no info. Of course, we're not talking about those "others" here - we're talking about PP.

All I'm saying is that, if you wanna prove that Padre Pio is a fake, then bring forward the proof.

The instant I countered that acid "proof" with an example (what acid would do to your hands) I get attacked with "I love these blow ins, 2 posts, eh" etc. Come on, someone answer my question. What would happen to your hands?

In any case, PP DID use acid on his wounds... but I bothered to read the documents that tell us why, and the effects it had. Not only: he also used other substances that have acid-like effects. Now, if you care, YOU go look it all up.

Mr Luttazzo only made allegations about the acid, but never did he mention women and quickies with PP. That was DISMISSED YEARS AGO as FALSE. Maybe bleedingheart wasn't aware of this...

The point is, is that you trawl through on-line boards to see if anyone is talking about it. This board is for kittyradio posters, not total internet randomz. Blather.net will have you though, you're talking about it too.
what kind of experience is that? Experience being the key-word here as it is above hear-say.

I'm also still waiting for an apology for the defamation of Mary Magdalene, who was a respected woman and not a prostitute.

Oh and lets not forget, crucifixtions at the time had nails through the wrists, not the hands.

He was stigmatic himself once. Maybe. If not, I'd happily apply some handy wounds to him myself.

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Sad to read this. I suppose you started with more than one post, eh? I've only posted on this forum, and have done no "trawling", you'll be sad to hear.

Even sadder to read this... who do you think you are, threatening me like that? You'd be happy to do what? How old are you, 12? Maybe less? I'm obviously bothering to "blather" to people who have an IQ of under 100 (if you know what that means).

You know, bort, you're a presumptuous w*****. I can CONFIRM it. You presume that I'm male, you presume that I'll take your rubbish... I'll tell you something now... I'm actually not even just ONE person.... and we're all laughing at you! And, if you came to me with your hammer and nails, you'd be leaving with then shoved up your *.....

You don't know what experience is because you don't have any. YES, I MEANT EXPERIENCE ABOUT PADRE PIO. You can look the word up in the dictionary. You don't have the intellectual flexibility to reply to people in a non-offensive manner, and to make any reasonable suggestions or participate in a socially acceptable manner. Shame on you, mate.

You may have a point here, but (although I could answer more appropriately) I'll do it your way:

one of your friends said. Take that as your answer.

You'll be pleased to hear that this is our last post here at kittyradio. We've learnt that unless you start off at 5000+ posts you can't be welcome here. You can only "shut up and listen to the experts". And we don't like that.

Moderators, webmasters, or whoever runs this forum, please DELETE my registration immediately.

God bless you all.

Sarah (at the keyboard), James, Johnny K., Johnny G and Karen

But I so want to! You're all laughing at me? How scathing. I don't get overly upset if people that believe in stigmata are laughing at me. Is it cuntitude or just a thick hide? Laugh it up, and then go read some fairy tales.

Apparently you're wonderfully smart, so you should really be above cheap jibes along the line of "how old are you, 12?!" or "your IQ is so much lower than mine, as if either of us could prove our IQs anyway". Tut.

In so far as "presuming" you're male goes, I can't say I care either way, I just tend to imagine male-sounding usernames as male in my mind, not that it makes any difference.

Anyway, you make it sound like you aren't KR-proof. People will threaten to nail things into you. It's half the fun, you know. Perhaps you should skidaddle?

I can nail them into your eye sockets if you want? If you all want, all of you in there? We're all goff here, and it would look keen.

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actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

Hold on, I'm confused:
So bigbroantonio you also believe he was a fake? What's the argument? I know there are a few of you behind the name but, what's the story?

WOW
just WOW
Never have thought this thread would go the way it is.

Oh really you ARE a big tease...do share.

But it did.
Once more, with feeling, Antonios!

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actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter