If you are beautiful you will see beauty around you; you will appreciate it.

If you see Quality in the world it is becasue you have an internal component of compassion within.

If you hate the world..... look at the things you support!

Do you agree?

i hate the world, i think it's a horrible miserable place.

why?

because i have compassion.

honest to fucking hell, i'd like to know how you can not hate the world if you've got a shred of compassion inside you.

we're destroying the planet. we're destroying our children. we're destroying eachother.

how can you look at a starving child in africa and not be pissed off and angry that we allow that to happen?

while we sit in front of our fucking computers snacking on pretzels just cause they're in front of our faces, guzzling beer because we like to get a buzz after our horrible $40,000 a year job sitting in front of another computer all day wishing we were at home snacking on pretzels and guzzling beer.

i think that anyone who hates the world is smart, compassionate, sensitive.

those who don't? - ignorant, self-absorbed, shallow.

is the world beyond hope? beyond saving?

in my most pessimistic moments, i think we are beyond "saving".

and it will be those who feel this disdain for the current state of the world and have hope - those are the people who work to change things.

you're quickly becoming one of my favorite people here. i guess that's not saying much.

whatever. i like the way you think Mr. Clinquant, thanks for posting.

it's ms. clinquant, actually. and thank you.

Sorry, i dont know things like that. But okay.

EDIT: did you have a different name before the blast?

I think it might be Ms Projection!

yes, i did. i didn't post much though.

i'm a realist. and you're an idiot.

i could give you a few books to read that might change your perspective. Are you interested?

i'm quite alright with my perspective. it doesn't need to be changed.

list the books though, i'd like to see what you've got in mind.

and if one of those books happens to the bible, don't bother, thanks.

having been to africa amongst these starving children, and being amazed at the joy and happiness they can still find in their lives, i find this an incredibly ridiculous view. are you saying that you cant take joy in simple things unless everything with the world is perfect?
if so, how about instead of wasting your time on accusing others of being shallow, you open your eyes and go do something about it. if you do, i think you'll find that unlike your view that it is these negative people working to change things, it is in fact people who see beauty in the world like paladin who are working to bring this view to others.
you're surely promoting a tautology trying to bring everyone in the world to perfect happiness, it's never going to happen, as humans we're not that perfect, anyone you bring to your realisation is surely on your view to become as pessimistic as you.

no, i'm not saying that we can't take joy in simple things unless everything with the world is perfect.

"taking joy in simple things" is all that most people do!

it's all they do.

if more people cared, then things might change and improve.

i think it's the people who look for and appreciate the beauty in life who also look past the ugly and the bad and the suffering.

i think it's the people who see these bad things, who are angered by them, who hate how things are now - they're the ones who usually succeed.

no, the world will never been a perfect, happy place. i never said i believed it will be.

on this issue i see pessimism as having a realistic view.

i think anyone who sees the world as anything but a rotten miserable place is extremely deluded.

just because you're pessimistic doesn't necessarily mean that you lack the drive to change that which you hate.

i think the world being a bad place right now, is even more motivation to succeed, it's something to overcome. without seeing the world's disparity, the problems become less urgent. i think, if anything, this realistic/pessimistic view is more hopeful than the alternative. if i had never seen how wondrous and beautiful this world is, it wouldn't hurt me so much to see it suffer.. i'd be more likely to turn a blind eye.

it's related to that whole weird idea of wishing for eternal happiness. happiness doesnt exist without something horrible to compare it to?

whatever, i think everyone makes good points here.

the pessimistic view isn't the realistic view. there's a vast difference between being very realistic and being hypercritical and paranoid about everything.

but she said this:
which indicates to me that progress is made when people feel like things are fucked.

usually when people feel things are TOO fucked up,beyond repair, they dont try to repair it. and i agree that THAT is very unrealistic or at least weak.

the point is, she wasnt saying "this place is fucked, we're all gonna die, we're all gonna starve like that cute african baby"

more like.. "this place is fucked. some of us are okay, but plenty of us are fucked. we all need lose our lust for convenience, to do more to help people. being all smiles at a time like this feels cheap because right now, someone somewhere is needlessly suffering."

i cant express myself well like this, so excuse me for being low brow. i just think the post in question was much less extreme than you're making it out to be, Mr. Chemist. i would have made a very similar post if i could sort out the words.

i'm not paranoid at all, so i have no idea where you're coming from with that.

on being hypercritical, yeah, sure, i am. and what's wrong with that?

it's important to see things as they are, to criticize what you see as "bad", to do what you are able to do to change that.

it's what makes shit happen.

nothing's ever gonna change if you just sit on your ass and refuse to see or accept the world for what it really is.

i really don't understand how anyone could look at the world and all the suffering and shitty things that we do and not be upset and angry.

those who are passionate make shit happen. again -

you were upset when i posted pictures of starving children in africa in another thread, so it doesn't surprise me that you've now made a post of this nature in this one.

now tell me, what's your "realistic view", then?

(if you can manage to see past my ever pertinent posting style, that is)

what does loving the world mean? you kiss the ball each and every day?

or is it that we arrived; the height of commerce, that riches and fame are in opportunity.

or is it the way animals are increasingly valued (as the food industry) and there homes in nature are more valuable (to realtors). I dont agree with the happy meal myself.

some may say love the world. some by dutiful work may see there place as loving. but whether working hard or hardly working, in accordance you would have to live based on securing the future.

Usually the esteem people have is for there own plot, loving ownership.
With all thats invested the future, how many of us in present; love or hope for this entity?
In concept in living for today you might have to go against love the way of da wirld, the saving up, tearing down, the rockets red blare, and see whats left of the forest through the trees.

Clinquant -- I understand. Some days I can't even bear to watch the news. Lately more and more. I need humor to get me through.

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Happy medium, people!

The world sometimes is fair, sometimes it's effing sick and unfair, and just... Yes. Sick. Wrong. There's no bad enough word for this.

There is both happiness and sadness in every city/town/village. The world seems to be getting better sometimes (obviously progression is at a halt during this administration), and life in almost every country is better than it was 20 years ago.

There are exceptions... Tibet, Haiti (in ways, although a huge turn around has happened, I'm thrilled out of my mind), Uganda, the Sudan, and so many more. The important thing is not whether or not the world is beautiful. The important thing is that we all do our part to make the world as close to our ideal of it as possible.

That's just an opinion though.

aboutthe african situation

and theirstarving at (generally)our expense the "aid" mentioned or "helping"
is generally financial no?
and while it may help an individual and maybe even a whole village using "their" money to try to help aproblem"they" created
on servesto perpetuate? it loooooooooonginto the future
they even have"helping" on lock
THEY SOME SUCKAS YO

happiness" IS a distraction


LYFE SUX
but lyfe aintlife but it sho is da life weleadin

i still tryto feel true life stillresidesdeep downinside when you strip away all the lies
i still cant beleive this isnt a dream
I WANNA BE A BUTTERFLY


altho sometimes there is that more often than rare occurence of seeing a good deed or whatever ya know
so its there somewhere
but that isnt allowedto thrive
istay faraway haha

i get the distinct impression i may have agreed with you on one or all of the points you were trying to make, but i wouldn't know, i can hardly decipher that incoherent piss poor excuse of a post.


to the topic at hand, i've been thinking, "you are what you support" itself is bullshit.

you wanna know why i haven't mentioned stuff that i do? (and no, it's not because i do nothing).

it's because i can't stand it when people help others as a way to make a statement about themselves.

why is it that important causes and charities often go unnoticed until a celebrity gets behind them?

suddenly those issues become important.

when you "contribute" as a way to gain popularity, or to fit in, or for status