"Could it be possible! This old saint in the forest hath not yet heard of it, that God is dead!"

What do you reckon? Has humankind progressed to a point where it no longer needs Gods or Idols? Will it ever? Fancy a peanut?

I don't get this whole thing with "need" if the god thing is your schtick.
Apparently your life on earth is a test, every challenge is an opportunity to grow as a person. If they feel they need 'god' to help them over every farty thing in life than really....what's the point in living? You'd never learn if you've never learned to crawl through the shit alone. There's nothing like life experience (good & bad) compared to reading something from a dusty book to avoid every farty thing in the first place......

Has humankind progressed to a point where it no longer needs Gods or Idols?
The answer is NO. Firstly, church is a social gathering point to make friends for hicks living in nowheresvill. Their vision of god will exisit aslong as there is a need to socialise and come together over a common interest (like a club guys)
As for Idols, the worship of the almighty dollar will NEVER cease, unless every businessman turns to mother Theresa of sorts, which lets be honest, will never happen.

What is everyone's obsession with Nietzsche? Will humankind ever progress to a point where it can discuss philosophy without bringing him up?

Anyways, my answers to your questions are something like this:

-humankind has not progressed to a point where it no longer needs gods or idols, otherwise we wouldn't still have them. even though cultural change wrt most things is slow, this idea of god(s) has permeated nearly all cultures in all time periods in written history. this suggests to me that it's almost a fundamental part of society, like families or marriage.

-I don't think it will ever progress to a point where it no longer needs gods. the desire for there to be something after death is a powerful one. as is the need for some otherworldly justification for all the shitty things in life.

-yes, I do fancy a peanut. you're in the UK, do they serve peanuts in bars like they do at some bars here? mmmm peanuts and beers.

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humans are the same now as they were 5 thousand years ago in the first civilizations.

Of course things have changed socially, but we still ask oursevles who we are, what are we doing here, where are we going, what is the meaning of life, is there life after death, I mean these are things that have been asked over and over and over by ALL the populations of the world and will continue to be asked.

Why?? because we need meaning in our lives. Some people do at least. Others are ok living in darkness, in fact they blend into it.

So as long as there is humans, there are going to be spiritual doctrines.

Oh and God does exist.

God observes the completeness of this creation we examine and experience. Through our senses, intuitions, and creativity, God manifests through forms of energy into these known dimensions of reality (3 spacial, 1 time). Sciences shows this; experience shows this; faith shows this--you are free to choose your means of perception and apprehention. No proof is good enough in the communication of the unknown to the rational mind; although the intuitive mind needs no proof. How we feel we know this will always be diificult for those who cannot apprehend the unknowable. Synchronicity, grace, and creative expression(music, art, poetry) are a good place to start--yet many have no interest in going on an inner journey to experience these things. Like Galileo's contemporaries who would not look through the telescope, some people are resistent to empirical evidence, let alone the concept of gnosis. I can site all the synchronistic phenomena I have experienced, yet many would discount that evidence, or deny any personal meaning from these events from their own account. It isn't a matter of proof, really, it is about seeking beyond the known in one's own mind, on one's own journey, on one's own time. What gives meaning to life to a person may be what one's own God reveals to one. Not everyone is at the same place, so communication is difficult.

What you see defines what you are able to see, and what you chose to seek. What you see in the world is a small view of the total that God enables you to use your senses to perceive of the creation. When you see the good, the beautiful, and the true, you will know yourself, and you will know God as intimately as any human has in history--you will know love.


"We are infinitely richer than all of the deceased royalty of history"
~~carefulcarpenter

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A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

the first part of your post was good. this part is irrelevant.

can you stick to the point ffs?

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If my life on earth is indeed a test, so far I have failed miserably.

I read that as: you liked the post!


God cannot be dead as long as the seed of love still exists in the kingdom of heaven.

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

this does not surprise me as you have reading comprehension issues plus an inability to interpret people's behaviors correctly. I don't even read any of your posts (including the one I quoted) all the way through unless they're short. This is not what I do with everyone btw, I do have a greater attention span than that, I've just never found anything you've written to be worth the time. I'll never get that minute back, you know?

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I feel the same way.

I'm not sure that one needs a "god" in order to feel there is a life after death, or to blame tragic events on. There are plenty of beliefs that explain such things, that have nothing to do with any sort of deity.

I DO, however, feel that people need some sense of spirituality in their lives. I've seen incredulity make people isolate themselves from others, and from the world in general, in such a variety of ugly ways. And I think it's just a closed-minded way to look at the world: "if modern science cannot prove it, then it most likely doesn't exist." That's so uninteresting to me. I like the unexplainable, and I like to use my own intuition and personal experiences, as subjective as they may be, to define the world as I see it. And while I understand the pursuit of an unbiased, unarguable "truth," I don't really see that giving way to the sort of personal growth I'm interested in achieving. But I must add, the same thing can be said about ANY uncompromising or rigid belief system.

Whew. I must be in some sort of mood today...

I luv this mood you're in! More of it!

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Marerophilia:
A depth of love that youth can seldom appreciate or communicate;
A love that never can die for it is a wild seed living inside us, and it is what it is;
Love: that which bonds the reality of one's being to the mystery of the unknown;
Wildflowers: evidence revealed."
~~carefulcarpenter

In other words you don't know what the question is asking.

holy crap hell froze over because i agree with you on this one.... i think that no matter what ppl are going to need someone to depend on and have faith that things will get better in there favor and if they have faith in anything they cant say that god dosnt exist because without god there is no faith....and ur right god gives most ppl meaning

well he was never alive to begin with. so i mean. who cares.

I don't think we've yet progressed to the point where he is dead, not by a long way. But we're edging closer, I like to think. I hope we reach the point one day.

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I escaped somehow. Let's go

actualy [sic] I have quite a blessed life if I'm honest. I have many people to love, hate few and have few money problem's [sic].... What more does a person need? Oh yeah and I have some kind of humbleness unlike you of course ^_^ ~ CarefulCarpenter

i dont then where or what will we gain hope and faith from???

atheist philosophies are at least 2500 years old, older as i'd guess that the moment someone said 'there is a god, let's worship him' someone else said, 'oh no there isn't, let's not'

i don't see it as something we're edging towards over the centuries.

btw sophia science does not say "if you can't prove it, it doesn't exist." that is a very very unscientific thing to say