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Old 07-17-2007, 10:42 PM
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But I do think that not knowing anything about history and/or being naive do not make one untrustworthy- do you agree on that point?
when did i ever say anything to the contrary?



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but this is kind of a circular argument and that's why I can't really evaluate human "nature" objectively, even if I knew everything about it which I don't even come close to doing. If your argument is that people have gotten less barbaric with time because they're using less severe punishments then that's a rather bold statement in and of itself- i.e. using only one benchmark to evaluate human "nature" with. But if you think it follows that people become less barbaric when the punishments are less severe throughout time, then wouldn't that really be an argument for anarchy?
absolutely not. thats absurd to even venture out of that reasoning. comparing lessening of punishment for theft from death to probation to total anarchy is so far out of left field im flabbergasted
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I consider this a popular misinterpretation of atheism (one that's held even by some atheists themselves as is evidenced on this board), just as I consider what you and many others associate with anarchy- namely "chaos"- to be a popular misinterpretation of what anarchy is all about.
yeah, thats what anarchy is about. no wait... its about sid vicious

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To me being atheist simply means that the chance that god exists is so small as to be insignificant really. I don't "know" anything.
no one does. so why say youre athiest? why not admit agnosticism? and for that matter if youre seeking to call yourself an anarchist bc it sounds cooler than libertarian socialist, by ALL MEANS go ahead. i love chomsky, but i think its a farce to say you dont want state but do want to impose laws about who gets what and when.
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How do you feel about it? Do you trust Atheists?
pfff why? just because we dont believe there's a god it means we arent trustworthy?

pathetic.
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yeah, thats what anarchy is about. no wait... its about sid vicious



no one does. so why say youre athiest? why not admit agnosticism? and for that matter if youre seeking to call yourself an anarchist bc it sounds cooler than libertarian socialist, by ALL MEANS go ahead. i love chomsky, but i think its a farce to say you dont want state but do want to impose laws about who gets what and when.
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also i don't trust atheists. it's...like the void.

it's easy also to mistrust monotheists, and the sort of people
who do what they can to force their opinion of what is religious righteousness onto you.

but when atheists attempt to force their LACK of belief onto people
it is a passive aggressive psychic sneer that you can feel. a great pointlessness asserts itself, an antintellectualism that quotes Nietzche - but why do anything? for money, to get off.
i definitely will never have sex with another atheist again. it was like becoming toilet paper.

and the period stains returned. i was pleased.) but i might hang out with atheists,
before i hung out with satanists.

if i am not hallucinating and there is a self professed atheist who has a screen name after an ancient greek deity
i am just gonna go cry. people are so confused, and they think because they don't accept the monotheist god
as being real that they are atheism. that's just different thinking. agnostics SHOULD fess up - but you can't force them.
hence i am wiccan. (and yeah, someone cares.)
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Old 07-18-2007, 09:24 AM
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when did i ever say anything to the contrary?
you didn't, but that was the only question in my entire post iirc and you didn't respond to it.
well actually, you kind of did say it when you implied that people who were not aware of history or were naive about human "nature" (e.g. anarchists in your estimation) were not trustworthy.

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absolutely not. thats absurd to even venture out of that reasoning. comparing lessening of punishment for theft from death to probation to total anarchy is so far out of left field im flabbergasted
fine. tell me what it is you meant to get across by saying that humans have become better over time and using their forms of punishment as the sole means of judging this because I don't get it.

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yeah, thats what anarchy is about.
I don't think that and I didn't say you do either but it is what lots of people think and for you to pretend otherwise is silly.

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no one does. so why say youre athiest?
Because the idea of a god is absurd to me. It makes no logical sense and no sense based on what I know about science either.
I said there is an insignificant chance that god exists but I also believe there's an equal (and equally insignificant) chance that a flying spaghetti monster created the universe.

I don't understand why it's so hard for people to believe that others are atheists. Everyone is atheist about gods people have had in the past and even other contemporary gods; I'm just atheist about them all.

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why not admit agnosticism?
because I'm not agnostic. See this is why I resist labels because people are too obsessed with them.

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and for that matter if youre seeking to call yourself an anarchist bc it sounds cooler than libertarian socialist, by ALL MEANS go ahead.
I'm not an anarchist. In an ideal world I would be but the world we live in is pretty far from ideal. I'm not interested in labels or sounding cool either.
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I don't understand why it's so hard for people to believe that others are atheists. Everyone is atheist about gods people have had in the past and even other contemporary gods; I'm just atheist about them all.
i like this. it's the main thrust of the opening chapter of letter to a christian nation, or whatever it's called
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Technically, in a perfect world, no one should have a problem with either. To say there is or isnt as fact would take absolute knowledge of every corner of the universe, explanation of every occurance of paranormal activity. Its perfectly feesable which ever side one chooses. I just wish people would realise that and stop having a problem with others.
Due to the uncertainty of the matter, what I dont get is how people can be so overtly defensive about their side and say "there 100% is no other possibility" its my belief/denom or the highway for you since you got the stupids and dont agree with me.
THESE are the people to not trust.
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is or isn't in the absence of absolute knowledge

not believing something until evidence exists

or

believing something until evidence to the contrary exists

with the latter either you have to believe everything, or, as most do, to pick and choose arbitrarily (because good evidence doesn't exists)

it's the arbitrariness that makes the latter unsound
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