Authenticity verses narcissism - Page 2

Little Fury · #6 05-17-2007, 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

Am I authentic? Is anyone here authentic? Should life on KR be literal? What do we gain from authentic self-expression?

These questions belong in spirituality and philosophy.

Sophia_ · #7 05-17-2007, 09:55 PM

I believe this is worthy of News and Politics. We see issues through our own values and perspectives, therefore what is authentic or newsworthy has much to do with how we filter such issues. So it seems the news is so often "bad news" or sensational. News often represents the issues that cause us to over-react. The narcissism which is repressed in us is often manipulated by the media-- we are shocked by what has manifest into our world, by people we had some unconscious attachment to. We love to read grave stories about people we look up to that fall to tragic events.

I believe narcissism and authenticity are connected to our politics and our interest in news stories. We react to stimuli in the outer world which reflects our repressed and hidden natures.

Sophia_ · #8 05-17-2007, 10:14 PM

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Hi Sophia_,

Thanks for getting right back to me. I did go talk to a couple of friends about my concerns of wasting my time on KR in a thread with you. You mentioned that you didn't understand why a person should fear talking with a poet in public who is merely expressing himself and not lying. Well, after reading so much of the postings you made as Paladin, Osho, Sophia_, and of course so many of the semi-adjusted quotes from careful carpenter that have a very heavy disingenuos feel to them, as well as checking with Sophia College, you do not have a 100% record in telling the truth. Repeat: you do not have a 100% record in telling the truth. That is as nice as I can put it. The 'Let's Be Specific About Rape' thread is another glaring Narcissitic example. Man, you have some serious women issues! Are you really a rapist, or not? Of course, you'll say it's just a metaphor, but it did bring you much attention and add to your 'infamous' rating, which you must love. We would have to talk to your wife, girlfriend, and children to delve in to the repression category of your personality under that part of narcissism. I would bet much money, that your wife has led quite a repressed life with you. She would have a hard time being able to express herself with you doing all the talking and going for all the attention. Grandiosity, we have tons of for examples. We could talk about Aristotle missing your complex emotional state of love, to begin the grandiosity investigation.
Ahh, the grandiosity of marerophilia!! What's next, scapegoating and blaming. Well, the narcissistic obsession with your artist/handyman identity crisis and rich people not paying you enough or wanting to hire you for your great work. The success/failure paradox. The denial of any narcissistic behaviors. The victim role in how you respond to members. The deep, deep need for attention and praise and respect coupled with the belief you are helping people and teaching them and guiding them toward wisdom, synchronicity, and the divine. Oh my god, you are not in any condition to help anyone, from what I can see in the postings. But, It's all you, baby. You are, indeed, incredible. I imagine you love to hear yourself go on and on and on and on, and are quite skilled at pontificating in public and not giving anyone else much time at the podium. You must spend hours quoting your most recent book ad infinitum. You have the pure boorish quality of a true narcissist in your postings. Why does everyone point that out to you. Sure, they do exagerate some by calling you sociopathic and psychotic. However, there is a strong component of sociopathy in most narcissists, as you know. Your KR identity of Sophia_ is a fundamental lie; your location of Sophia College is a fundamental lie. I am going against your narcissism by sending you this private message. I'm sorry not to contribute to your condition, but knowing quite a few narcissists, it's hard to give you any more attention or infamy than this. I hope I've helped. I actually find you quite interesting Paladin, so thanks for contributing and hanging in there. It will get better, I do believe.
Sincerely,
XXXXXX

Narcissism is usually covert. The image of respectability is a first clue. A narcissist sufferes great pain when they are exposed to public ridicule, often shielding themselves behind a 'wonderful' persona. This relates to what we see in the media--images of desirability, esteem, popularity, perfection, and others. The public is attracted to people who exemplify their repressed positive shadow. It would be social and political suicide to reveal the true whole self. Politicians often meet the profile of malignant narcissism. We, the public, love a good lynching of these types--it relieves us of our own responsibilities for the state of the world. We can slink back into our protected cave of denial and justification. We can blame "them" for all the worlds problems. Find a scapegoat or a whipping boy and we are safely hidden behind the focus.

Narcissism is the finger pointing outward.

Sophia_ · #9 05-17-2007, 11:01 PM

Timely and synchronistic!

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Thu May 17, 2007 08:31:18 PM PDT

"Sicko" Is Completed and We're Off to Cannes!

May 17, 2007

Friends,

It's a wrap! My new film, "Sicko," is all done and will have its world premiere this Saturday night at the Cannes Film Festival. As with "Bowling for Columbine" and "Fahrenheit 9/11," we are honored to have been chosen by this prestigious festival to screen our work there.

My intention was to keep "Sicko" under wraps and show it to virtually no one before its premiere in Cannes. That is what I have done and, as you may have noticed if you are a recipient of my infrequent Internet letters, I have been very silent about what I've been up to. In part, that's because I was working very hard to complete the film. But my silence was also because I knew that the health care industry -- an industry which makes up more than 15 percent of our GDP -- was not going to like much of what they were going to see in this movie and I thought it best not to upset them any sooner than need be.

Well, going quietly to Cannes, I guess, was not to be. For some strange reason, on May 2nd the Bush administration initiated an action against me over how I obtained some of the content they believe is in my film. As none of them have actually seen the film (or so I hope!), they decided, unlike with "Fahrenheit 9/11," not to wait until the film was out of the gate and too far down the road to begin their attack.

Bush's Treasury Secretary, Henry Paulson, launched an investigation of a trip I took to Cuba to film scenes for the movie. These scenes involve a group of 9/11 rescue workers who are suffering from illnesses obtained from working down at Ground Zero. They have received little or no help with their health care from the government. I do not want to give away what actually happens in the movie because I don't want to spoil it for you (although I'm sure you'll hear much about it after it unspools Saturday). Plus, our lawyers have advised me to say little at this point, as the film goes somewhere far scarier than "Cuba." Rest assured of one thing: no laws were broken. All I've done is violate the modern-day rule of journalism that says, "ask no questions of those in power or your luncheon privileges will be revoked."

This preemptive action taken by the Bush administration on the eve of the "Sicko" premiere in Cannes led our attorneys to fear for the safety of our film, noting that Secretary Paulson may try to claim that the content of the movie was obtained through a violation of the trade embargo that our country has against Cuba and the travel laws that prohibit average citizens of our free country from traveling to Cuba. (The law does not prohibit anyone from exercising their first amendment right of a free press and documentaries are protected works of journalism.)

I was floored when our lawyers told me this. "Are you saying they might actually confiscate our movie?" "Yes," was the answer. "These days, anything is possible. Even if there is just a 20 percent chance the government would seize our movie before Cannes, does anyone want to take that risk?"

Certainly not. So there we were last week, spiriting a duplicate master negative out of the country just so no one from the government would take it from us. (Seriously, I can't believe I just typed those words! Did I mention that I'm an American, and this is America and NO ONE should ever have to say they had to do such a thing?)

I mean, folks, I have just about had it. Investigating ME because I'm trying to help some 9/11 rescue workers our government has abandoned? Once again, up is down and black is white. There are only two people in need of an investigation and a trial, and the desire for this across America is so widespread you don't even need to see the one's smirk or hear the other's sneer to know who I am talking about.

But no, I'm the one who now has to hire lawyers and sneak my documentary out of the country just so people can see a friggin' movie. I mean, it's just a movie! What on earth could I have placed on celluloid that would require such a nonsensical action against me?

Ok. Scratch that.

Well, I'm on my way to Cannes right now, a copy of the movie in my bag. Don't feel too bad for me, I'll be in the south of France for a week! But then it's back to the U.S. for a number of premieres and benefits and then, finally, a chance for all of you to see this film that I have made. Circle June 29th on your calendar because that's when it opens in theaters everywhere across the country and Canada (for the rest of the world, it opens in the fall).

I can't wait for you to see it.

Yours,

Michael Moore

P.S. I will write more about what happens from Cannes. Stay tuned on my website, MichaelMoore.com.

Ophiel Ophiuci · #10 05-18-2007, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

Narcissism is usually covert. The image of respectability is a first clue. A narcissist sufferes great pain when they are exposed to public ridicule, often shielding themselves behind a 'wonderful' persona. This relates to what we see in the media--images of desirability, esteem, popularity, perfection, and others. The public is attracted to people who exemplify their repressed positive shadow. It would be social and political suicide to reveal the true whole self. Politicians often meet the profile of malignant narcissism. We, the public, love a good lynching of these types--it relieves us of our own responsibilities for the state of the world. We can slink back into our protected cave of denial and justification. We can blame "them" for all the worlds problems. Find a scapegoat or a whipping boy and we are safely hidden behind the focus.

Narcissism is the finger pointing outward.

You're not a whipping boy though.

Anyway, why leave the name off the PM? To make it look like it was done anonymously? A PM isn't covert, it's discrete, the person was trying to do you a favour by not humiliating you in public and/or further nurturing your narcissism. You should thank them. But instead you're trying to make them out to be a coward. You are a pussy.