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Old 01-03-2007, 09:46 PM
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Post JUDEOXTIANLAMISM ; an essay by l'av (debaters encouraged)

out of the abrahamic faiths [judaism, christianity, & islam (& i guess the baha'i faith for all you scenesters)], which one of these seem to speak out the most to you? or what are your criticisms on one or the other, if not all?

i was baptized catholic by my father's side of the family, but was raised baptist cause of my mom. & personally, i never really felt an effinity with religion because i found it all kind of lame &, at times, scary. there's just something about singing to a mural of a guy bleeding from the head & nailed to two pieces of wood, then forced to drink his blood & eat his body that is just not appealing to me. who subject their children to that?

christianity never really seemed to vibe with me. it may have been i was overloaded with it (being in catholic school & being in a religiously strict, ethnically-dominated family may have something to do with it), but i honestly just don't see two-sided a religion really can be. how can all your "sins" be forgiven just at the wave of a hand? i don't understand it. & some of the most bigotted, most distrustly & evil people i've ever met have been xtian, or some form of it.

& then there's judaism.
FOREWARNING:, this is the one that might piss people off. but i really am pretty ignorant to judaism & their ways & beliefs. i'm just going by a crash course. feel free to correct me.

i had heard things about it, yeah. yay madonna & whatnot. but as i started looking into it, i'm just honestly apalled at some of the stuff i read. like, this "the chosen race"? how everyone else is pretty much the inferior to them. NOT cool. & how they're more into their writings & their practices & rituals more than their God (p.s, what's with the "G-d" thing?). & how difficult they make it to convert to judaism just to weed out the people that might make them "look bad". yeah, some people do just find religion to make themselves look better & not for actually believing in it, but i doubt taking jew 101 & fooling a rabbi into converting you is really going to make you look any more cooler.

& i'm not even going to mention the other sects of judaism, because some of it is just flat-out crazy.

there's just so much that i just really couldn't comprehend from this.. maybe i'm taking it the wrong way. maybe i'm not.


last & not least, there's islam.
FOREWARNING: i've done my homework on this shit, so don't even try to test mine on this one.

recently, i've been reading up on islam. in america, its kind of a xenophobic thing here to go deep into the muslim culture, but i've kind of ignored that & done my own research on it. originally, just out of curiosity..

but if there's any religion i've been able to relate to more, its this one. i think, personally, its one of the most open-minded, sensible, & beautiful faiths i've ever heard of. from the little things like not having any portraits or any figures of God (because, seriously, who knows wtf this guy looks like so why make a statue of him?), to the ideology of hell not being an eternal burning pit of pain & despair, but a place to burn away the sin that we lived on earth & then released into heaven, it all just kind of makes so much more sense to me. even science seems to agree with islams "big bang theory". everything islam seems to check out with scientific facts, & with other religions. & the fact i love the most is the fact that the qu'ran & the hadith have never been tampered with since the day they were written, unlike the gospel, torah & the talmud.

i even agree with alot of the different sects of islam, especially sufism (which i hear is equivalent to judaisms' kaballah, but as said before, i wouldn't know anything about that) & sufi prophets. as with every religion though, there are those freaks who are just flat out scary.


i, personally, am not really associated with any of these religions, or any religion in general. but i definitely seem to lean on more of the islamic teachings as opposed to the xtian & judeo way.



now what about you guys? how right am i, how wrong am i, whats your view, etc.


illuminate me.


ignore typos, grammatical errors, etc. i kinda just wrote this up on a whim.

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Old 01-03-2007, 10:00 PM
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i seriously BUST OUT LAUGHING when i read the slaughtering of jews under a tree. maybe it was a mix between that & the smiley.

i really haven't gotten that far in the qu'ran [i've got the d-list english translation, & still only a couple of surah's into it]. but when i & if i get that far, i will definitely commend you.

& i'm fairly sure daylight isn't sweating about losing his jew badge anytime soon.
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Old 01-06-2007, 10:10 PM
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Perhaps you haven't studied about Judaism.
Being "the chosen people" doesn't mean they are better than everyone else.
In fact, Judaism is the only religion out of Christianity and Islam that believes that non-members of their faith will have life in the world to come.

Christianity says if you don't accept jc as your savior that your damned.
Islam says basically the same thing only concerning Mohammed.

Judaism believes that people of all religions can be good people and have a share in the world to come. We believe that every person serves a purpose and is valuable to G0d.

Being the "chosen people" means that Jews are chosen to do more commandments. Why are they chosen? Perhaps it's because they will follow the commandments. Do you know how many commandments Jews have to follow? 613! Do you think that makes them better than you? No. It just means they have a different role. You too have a role. The creator of this world wakes you up every morning so obviously you have a role to fill.
This human view of looking at things in terms of inferior and superior is primitive. Having more commandments to follow doesn't mean you are superior. It means you have been chosen to do something different and it means more obligations.

I don't think many people would want these obligations. Do you? Would you take on 613 obligations?

Look at Chrisitanity, a watered down mix of Judaism and Paganism. No Christian holidays are authentically Chrisitan. The jesus myth comes out of greek legend...mixing hercules together to make a half moral, have G0d type figure. All of your holidays are basically pagan. And 'the underword', hell you refer to comes out of Greek legend. (The Hebrews came before the Greeks by the way - way before! A lot of people don't know this)

The original followers of jesus were Jewish and in no way did they believe that he was G0d but they did however believe he was the Messiah. They followed all the practices of Judaism. Why do you think Jesus celebrated Passover? He was Jewish and if resurrected today, he would likely feel more at home in a Jewish Synagogue than in a church where in many you have a man on the cross. If you read the 10 commandments from the beginning....it says that you should not have an engraven image of a man and that's what jesus is on a cross! An engraven image of a man. How could anyone who accepts the 10 commandments as the word of G0d accept that?

200 years after Jesus' death, Paul came along and wanted to market Judaism to the masses, so he said, 'okay I'll rename it Christianity and get rid of all the laws so people will accept it" because the pagans did not want to take on all the laws! So they stripped away the laws, the kosher laws, etc. moved the Sabbath to a different day which makes no sense because the Sabbath is the day G0d rested...you can't just move that day! lol It's like trying to re-order creation.
So what you get is a mix of different religions that you refer to as Christianity.

So Christians went around killing people to convert them to Christiantiy. And they rule people by this notion of 'faith'....Jews on the other hand aren't told to simply have 'faith'...we have to prove to ourselves that G-d exists and study. A lot of these bible belt Christians are uneducated as opposed to many Jewish people who win noble prizes. If anyone tells you that you simply have to believe, be suspicious.
Blind faith is used to control the masses and to brainwash.
Religions that encourage you to think allow for questioning and don't tell you should simply have faith to big holes in the story. Like, 'how do they know Mary was a virgin?' etc. etc.
How many witnesses does Christianity have? 1-10?

Judaism has 600,000 witnesses at it's birth. No other religion claims to have 600,000 witnesses who lived. hare krishna claims to have 600,000 but then they all died and one witness carried on that tradition. Our 600,000 lived.
And there's a reason that Judaism is the only religion that has this.
Other religions, 1-3 witnesses.

Everyone should question their religion.
That separates people with a mind from people who are brainwashed.
Questions are good.

I wouldn't trust a religion that was changed 200 years after the death of it's main character to market to the masses. Many people buy into marketing hype. Look around today...All the people who constantly buy buy buy without giving it much thought.

And I wouldn't trust a relgions where a large majority sends their children out to be suicide bombers. Any religion that blows up their children in the name of G0d, I think is a horrbile thing! How can people kill their own children like that, like they are a walking bomb? like they don't matter? Has Christianity ever done that??? Do they do that today??? No. Did they do that to win land from the British? How many princes are there in Middle East? Did you ever notice that the ones who kill themselves to get 70 virgins are poor? Why doesn't a Saudi Prince ever blow himself up? It's because the rich have the poor under their thumb. They will give money to terrorism and to suicide bombers but they won't kill themselves. They'll let a brainwashed 15 year old boy blow himself up thinking he'll get 70 virgins. Why didn't Saddam blow himself up to take out a few Americans? Why? Because they aren't stupid. It's the uneducated masses that these people control. The people who simply have faith wihtout studying. That's dangerous. To live in ignorance is not bliss, it's just plain dangerous. The rich in the middle east use the poor who are misguided by the leaders of their religion to hate rather than love. If more time was focused on loving than maybe then their society would pick up and life would be better off.

People have used religion as a tool for war and the two religions who own the most land today, and I mean continents! Christianity and Islam.
Religion in the wrong hands can be most destructive.
The irony of it all, Israel (look at a map - google it). Compare that to the land that is "owned" by Christianity and Islam. It's like someone eating an entire cake and not allowing a crumb of that to go to a child in the room.

There is much good in Christianity and Islam that can be taken and used for good. Christianity has progressed a lot since the Crusades. And Islam has many good principles. While I don't personally believe in Christianity or Islam, I think that people should be able to practice their religion freely. The societies that allow for that are based on the Jewish and Christian law system.

And why I write G-d or G0d without spelling out the name of the creator, it is because Jews are supposed to respect the name of the creator and not take it in vain. People overuse words all the time. Treating a name as special such as the creator of the world is important because it shows respect. When people abuse the name of the creator, they bring it down to the level of any other word but it isn't on that level, it's higher and so by writing it that way, I'm aknowledging that the name of G0d is higher than any word in this universe.

Andthe poster above, who writes that he's not part of any religions...ha ha Yeah right,
Ok guys just look at his user name, rearange the characters, get what I'm saying?

I might not believe what you believe but I think we as humans should still respect each other.
It would be a better world if we could learn to live with each other's differences.
I don't think anyone has the ultimate truth, although there are people who have more of the picture.
I am Jewish because I believe it to be true.
You probably believe your religion to be true.
What matters is that we are all G-d's people and we don't have the ultimate perspective of the creator, so we need each other to understand the greater picture.

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What is it about Islam that makes it open-minded, sensible, and beautiful?
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but anyway...if this is about truth, to argue these religions on an intellectual level...no name calling allowed! This is about evidence.

look at this:
http://www.infidels.org/library/mode...ier/islam.html
http://www.holysmoke.org/hs00/old.htm
http://debate.org.uk/topics/isamasih/apr99/archeo.htm
http://debate.org.uk/topics/history/quran.htm
http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1957/JASA12-57MacRae.html
http://www.churchhopping.com/jingle-...batman-smells/
http://www.humanists.net/alisina/

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