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Old 02-10-2007, 04:19 AM
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<<In fact, Judaism is the only religion out of Christianity and Islam that believes that non-members of their faith will have life in the world to come.>>

Islam does as well.

As for me, I can't really do this, because while I call myself a Christian (aka, follower, or at least in my case, admirer, of Jesus, as I don't feel I do a very good job of "following" him), my idea of Christianity involves little to no actual dogma and I've found my truth within this by reading Jewish and Islamic texts and statements by theologians of these religions alongside those of Christian tendencies.

The few practices I actually do follow are mostly Christian, though I refuse to celebrate Christmas and a few other "Christian" holidays (c'mon, most of them are rip-offs of Pagan holidays).

After looking at a lot of different religions I realized the Abrahamic faiths are the ones I find the most truth in, but I tend to dismiss most of everything that's come out for Christian laws/beliefs post-Nicene creed, after lots of studying the history and contexts of these beliefs. Too much politics involved.

Judaism, oddly enough, probably has helped me/shaped my spiritual beliefs the most, but the person of Jesus is the crux of it all for me. I don't believe in his divinity nor do I believe in the notion of a trinity, but I do believe him to have existed as a savior in that he lived the ways of the law as intended, which at the time he had lived was veering in all the wrong ways. i see Christianity as going down that same path, as well as Islam.

i dunno; i'm also the type of person who sees christianity (particularly early christianity, the type that i personally feel is the closest to any "correct" christianity, should there be such a thing) as meant to be an anarchistic/communistic religion...

it's really difficult for me to be precise in my explanation of what i believe, as it's taken my whole life to get here, especially since there's my own personal studying and experiences and logic involved, but this is it in a nutshell so far.

anyway, though, i don't think any of them are more "right" or "wrong" than another.

in a book i'm reading about Islam, it's mentioned that the three are different paths revealed to different people at different times to the same thing.


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Old 02-10-2007, 04:31 AM
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Old 02-10-2007, 04:36 AM
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<<In fact, Judaism is the only religion out of Christianity and Islam that believes that non-members of their faith will have life in the world to come.>>

Islam does as well.

As for me, I can't really do this, because while I call myself a Christian (aka, follower, or at least in my case, admirer, of Jesus, as I don't feel I do a very good job of "following" him), my idea of Christianity involves little to no actual dogma and I've found my truth within this by reading Jewish and Islamic texts and statements by theologians of these religions alongside those of Christian tendencies.

The few practices I actually do follow are mostly Christian, though I refuse to celebrate Christmas and a few other "Christian" holidays (c'mon, most of them are rip-offs of Pagan holidays).

After looking at a lot of different religions I realized the Abrahamic faiths are the ones I find the most truth in, but I tend to dismiss most of everything that's come out for Christian laws/beliefs post-Nicene creed, after lots of studying the history and contexts of these beliefs. Too much politics involved.

Judaism, oddly enough, probably has helped me/shaped my spiritual beliefs the most, but the person of Jesus is the crux of it all for me. I don't believe in his divinity nor do I believe in the notion of a trinity, but I do believe him to have existed as a savior in that he lived the ways of the law as intended, which at the time he had lived was veering in all the wrong ways. i see Christianity as going down that same path, as well as Islam.

i dunno; i'm also the type of person who sees christianity (particularly early christianity, the type that i personally feel is the closest to any "correct" christianity, should there be such a thing) as meant to be an anarchistic/communistic religion...

it's really difficult for me to be precise in my explanation of what i believe, as it's taken my whole life to get here, especially since there's my own personal studying and experiences and logic involved, but this is it in a nutshell so far.

anyway, though, i don't think any of them are more "right" or "wrong" than another.

in a book i'm reading about Islam, it's mentioned that the three are different paths revealed to different people at different times to the same thing.
first off, i'm really glad somebody came in from the xtianity side & evened things out. i kind of gave up on this thread because it was turning into a judiasm vs. islam debate & those weren't my intentions at all.

but yes, i agree with everything i've said, but the last part you mentioned is what i was trying to stress the most. its the same thing revealed to three different people, leading towards the same path. give or take some customs & beliefs, but it really all comes full circle in the end.

as i said, i was baptized catholic & know all the customs & rituals & prayers. but it just never vibed well with me. mostly for the fact, like you said, alot of it was based off pagan ideology. i think out of the three, it was definitely the most corrupt. whether we'll know jesus was the son of God or not, we'll never know. but i do believe he was indeed a prophet sent from God. though his death, ressurection, & ascension are the things that i'm kind of suspuscious of.

again, whether i sound it or not, i am more of a spiritual person than a religious person. i was just seeing the general consensus on the subject, while trying to xpress my own.

maybe take two of this thread will be a little better than the first time around.
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Old 02-10-2007, 05:10 AM
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ben just ignore this thread. i think i was trying to get smart on y'all last month or something lol
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