What do you guys think of the Gospel of Judas being recently found and translated. It was written 300 AD, long after Judas's exile. It implies Judas betrayel of Jesus was a loving thing done in request. Could shed light on why one of the 12 did that and change the meaning of calling someone a Judas. Anyone seen this GoJ or is it not out yet.

Yes, in fact, we are beginning to touch on that subject in my thread: http://www.kittyradio.com/soapbox/showthread.php?t=1615

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your thread is about the bible. this ones about the Judas specifically.

I was saying more that if this seemed like something that you knew about, then perhaps your viewpoint would be helpful over there as well.

As to my feelings on the matter, I think that then entire New Testament is inherently flawed and deriving it's nature from incomplete information as will happen with humans, you will eventually find problems arising, such as finding a new Gospel. This Gospel, being found so late and having historical evidence for it being genuine as well as scientific evidence, discredits all the Gospels by reminding everybody that you never have the whole picture so long as it is created by humans.

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For a long time, it was considered that all "non-enlightened Jews" (i.e. Jews, not Christians) shared in Judas' guilt in Jesus' death. This, of course, was a major influence on the split from Judaism that formed Christianity. I'm not suggesting that it promotes reconciliation, as clearly that is impossible at this point, but it does make you wonder.

is there a copy of the whole judas book or is it only being leaked?

it's on holy parchment.
i.e. full of literal holes. words missing and such. if there was a whole book, it would still be incomplete to us

I t was his destiny to do what he did even if he didnt know it. Jesus knew it and revealed to hm long before that he shall become the scorned disciple. God had purpose for Christ and that was to ultimately sacrafice himself for mankind, Judas was an important part in fulfilling Christs destiny....

this is exactly what i was about to touch on.

i havent read this supposed gospel of judas, but if it is in fact about what the original poster says it is, it's not a new idea. even in the new testament, judas' ultimate role and character are not portrayed as simply evil and betraying. he fulfilled christ's destiny, christ knew he would. and his guilt led him to suicide. his character is complex and important, not inherently 'bad' at all...

yay, a judas thread!

the following is schroeder's idea, so i claim no credit

judas was the last unredeemed man, the last old testament man. he was judged by an old testament god and punished in an old testament manner. he ended an age as jesus began one

i might add that jesus not only needed someone to betray him to fulfil his destiny, but the story required a villain, a repository for our sins, which rather than transcended might be cast upon another, and in this sense judas is our true redeemer.

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I dont know if that makes him the redeemer but his act eventually led to redemption. He did perpetrate in a similar fashion as the OT, where an animal was purposly sacrificed.
I dont know if he was singley responsible for what happened. Even after Jesus was picked up by the soldiers, it wasnt Judas or even Pontience Pilate who convicted him. It was the choice of people. They had him condemned and in exchange for his rights, they had Pontience release someone else from jail.

what i've always thought is that even if judas hadn't "turned him in" they'd eventually have found him anyway. he was causing trouble and they wanted to get rid of him. so the whole judas story has always served as a symbol: the ultimate betrayal.

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I've mentioned this before, but weren't Jesus, Mary and Joseph all Jewish as well? Never really understood how one Jewish betrayal overturns everything that went before.