Some people, like poets, drugs help inspiration. Gnostics think inspiration in some ways is from God and using drugs brings you closer to God by being inspirational and creative you are one with the Lord.

I use drugs for enlightenment. But, are you using drugs in a spiritual way? Ever question why we feel pain in this life?

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i take drugs to remind me that reality is only what the chemicals in my brain make it
and that thhis 'sober', default reality we live in sometimes, is just different kind of hallucination. and that blue is probably purple,
people that are against using drugs.. well its no different when i don't want someone around me when i'm tripping on a completely different buzz. it makes them uncomfortable.

I take them to relax my mind, but I don't when I write poetry since it completely ruins my writing.

you know john hopkins did a study on drugs they gave some people hallucinogens on some occasions and other occasions gave them a placebo- ritalin and had them sit in a room and write down about the experience and most ranked it as either the greatest religious experience they ever felt or near it however some people also said they had hallucinogenic trips on the ritalin so either mind over matter or for all i know maybe ritalin can really cause a beyond experience in certain individuals.

Finding enlightenment on drugs is like shooting fish in a barrel.

From what you've said before, I doubt that. Or least it's not just that. You sounded like yer in a lotta pain, obviously you take drugs to escape the pain. It's escape. If you don't admit that much yer deluding yerself. The irony, from what you said, it also gives you a lotta pain as yer body falls apart.

Anywayz. Drugs cloud perception ... I ... ok, to be fair, it's a complicated issue. On one hand, they cloud perception, and how can you be enlightened in a state of uh ...confusion. Isn't enlightenment from seeing things clearly?? Well the Buddhists think so .. that's why they don't believe in taking em.

Yet on the other hand, drugs may break down barriers ... inward and outward ... emotional barriers... social barriers ... and who knows, maybe other barriers ... dimensional barriers, like on the brain, and all that. Oops, I hope TS ain't reading this.

I got a mild?? painkiller habit, probably cuz I like to float ... I mean, they give me a floating sensation, and I like it ... I like to draw and paint, and I like floating when I do it. Geez, I must sound silly. Anywayz. Also cats turn into paper bags, and paper bags turn into cats.

I think an experience on drugs can assist enlightenment in retrospect, allowing you to compare your own perceptions with another. But I don't think any true enlightenment can come as easily as that. It's got to function in your "normal" state, otherwise it's not personal enlightenment at all, because you only understand it when you're not yourself.

didnt you say you stopped taking drugs and were leaving this place? do you ever post here or lurk here sober?

i am the food and drug administration. if you need to verify your drugs for wide consumption bring here first. if I dont approve ill confiscate and put in my lock stock and barrel. thankyou.

any drugs to desensitise are good. then again i felt naturally desensitised for a while i didn't need the hash, i got it wired free in my brain. drugs for philosophical reasons? if anyone has a philosophical hypthesis to test ill be willing to contribute my experiences in the spirit of knowledge

After listen to the crap on other threads you make, and now this, You are a God damn hypocrit.

Yes, I do. Doing my M.A., I got to the point where I couldn't type my dissertations without being under the influence. i was simply less creative and free thinking without it.

i cant tell if youre kidding or not. i certainly hope so.

Why? do you hope im kidding, (without me divulding whether I am or not) ?

because i had more resect for you before, thought you were intelligent enough to realize what a load of crap that would be. Dr. Leary.

How do you know it's a load of crap? If a person did that, why would it be a load of crap?

well, for one thing it isnt freer thinking, just a little less reasonable/logical(?) (the drugs being "mindbending"). i cant really say that creativity isnt sparked by drugs (any drugs really) because creativity comes from illogical thoughts and from a different perception than the average person has.

another thing, from my experience (personally and seeing others), while high it is pretty much impossible to have complete, coherent thoughts. or, at least relay them in a manner which would be held in any regard to be scholarly.

i dont dispute that drugs can spark creative thought proccesses which could open possibilities never before comprehended, but writing your dissertation while high and saying it helped you write it is a load of crap. IMO.

and if any of this post was not coherent(ant?), my point is proven.

I see what you're saying. But look at it this way. What if inhibition/ambivalence/anxiety limits your creativity. I think most people accept that. And you might not think writing an essay is all that 'creative', like it's more of a logical thing. But when I'm writing them, not caring at all and feeling like my insides are a rainbow, helps me take risks and gives me a confidence. And that leads to more originality, and, at the end, a better quality essay. Perhaps everything would be worded better if I was clean, but what I'm writing about wouldnt even have produced itself if I was clean so thats of no importance.

Can you see that as a possibility

It's a fact that alcoholism and drug use is overrepresented among writers. Hemmingway declared many time that he drank before he hit the typewriter. And obviously Derrida used to hit the crackpipe because no person operating with normal cognitive functions would come up with the whacked out shite that he wrote.

i actually do agree with that. hell, we wouldnt know dna as a double helix if it wasnt for some acid trip. and i can see writing a first or second draft of an essay (mind you, i mean for school or to be published in a well known publication, or to be looked upon as professional) while high as being a more creative, less inhibited way of doing it, but given the quality of writing you would get while high, would you really turn that in? if you edited it and rewrote it sober i could see your point.