Count me in.

It's kind of a shitty position to be in. Anytime someone discusses religion, you get into your "analytical reasons why religion is the damnation of humanity" kind of stance, I wish I was more passive.

BTW: FIRST!

I guess I'm an athiest but I'm not defensive about it. I genuinely don't care enough about religion or higher powers to have analytical reasons for believing in them or not. I don't see why there would be one but I'm not going to spend time trying to find reason's why there's not.

we are all athiests, some of us just go one god further

This is very "new age" of me to say, but I think we all have different paths. I think that it matters little what one's religion is (or isn't), as long as the individual can function and progress in knowledge and life.

So if religions aren't your cup 'o tea, no harm done, but I can understand some level why one would get defense about scientific thought or logical thought. Only makes sense.

I'm the same.

Mmhmm. I wish I could shut up and just LET IT GO, but I can't.

God is good to talk about, without necessarily believing in.

I was talking to Schroeder about how people who you fancy/love sometimes seem to be able to get away with doing wrong, the moral rules somehow change and their entitlement changes. Then their are people who are always like that, and go through life without friction. She said 'well, god fancies them'.

i've never liked the rabid foaming-at-the-mouth atheists- "your god is a LIE. there IS no after life, and you know what all you people are? is stupid, stupid, stupid! but not me, no, i have SCIENCE!"

i mean, i kinda believe in something, but i don't like dogmatic christians either, you know, the bomb abortion clinic types. the rest of 'em? are pretty harmless to me, a little boneheaded maybe, but not causing much hassle. so they think their god will damn you if you don't believe in it? you know, whatever. THEY can't damn you personally now, can they? so who cares what they think?

LET IT GO, and let God.

okay. *lets go*

fuck religion and shit

[Stands up, looks around the room]

I am the Corpse Bride and I can't abide obnoxious holy fucks. Especially those who want to tell me what to do with my own body.

God doesn't hate fags you fucks, you're just hiding behind your imaginary friend! It's you that hates fags! Come out and take it up the bum like Megan in the Exorcist!

Sorry about the rant. And I know that's not where the crucifix goes in that film. I am just a little miffed.

[Sits down]

Uh, right.

Anyway. It really depends on my mood, whether I'm passive or not. I guess it depends who I'm talking to as well--if it's friends then usually I'll be happy to carry on about religion and whatnot, but if it's some prat I don't even know (like the wallies who hand out flyers on the streets, follow you around and ask annoying questions), then I'll clam up.

Like once I was waiting to go into a lecture, and these two people came up to me and told me that they were from some Christian club or something, and wanted me to participate in a survey. I was like, "okay, that's fine."
It turned out to be a bit of a good cop/bad cop scenario--one was really nice and seemed open minded, and the other was a total twat. She was horrified when I told her that I hadn't been to church since I was six years old, and tried to force me to say that everything is because of Jesus. She even tried to make me believe that we aren't born knowing right from wrong. I told her, "even animals know right from wrong." That shut her up.

im sorry, the thread title is funny i totally laughed. its like jumbo shrimp or something.

__________________
the cave mouth shines
by pure force of will
i look down on the world
from the top of this lonesome hill
and you can run, and run some more
from here all the way to singapore
but i will carry you home in my teeth
-mountain goats

i don't care. why do you care? everyone needs summat.

haha true
i'm agnostic and i don;t get defensive like that
it wouldn't make sense at all!
but i do get really irritated when people try to cram religion down my throat- i really can't get away fast enough
they can be really frightening and crazy, highly religious people who try to convert others

yeah same here...but I got to "I don't give a flying Jesus" stage. Now I have a problem with facial muscle pain caused by excessive grinning.

Me too.
I guess the reason I'm so defensive is that I went to a fairly religious school (church of england I think) for 4 years, from the ages of 7 to 11. We had to sing hymns and stuff every day, okay, fair enough, a lot of schools do that. Mainly what pissed me off was the attitude of everyone else there. One day we happened to be talking about a christening for some reason, and I mentioned that I had never been christened, and the other kids all got this look of horror on their faces. Like I was suddenly some sort of lower being. It was stupid shit like that, all the time, that really started to get to me.
ack, you've opened a can of worms here.

It's impossible to argue with those who do not understand their own religion.