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Old 10-08-2008, 12:54 AM
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Ex-gay Camps: Interesting Article

I found this on another forum, it's an article from The Times about a woman who went "undercover" to one of those American ex-gay conference-type things. It really upsets me to think that I once considered this an option, it clearly preys on the hopeless/unconfident/low-self-esteemed..
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From The Times
October 7, 2008
The camp that 'cures' homosexuality

At a Christian 'boot camp' in the US, those struggling to reconcile faith and sexuality are taught to overcome gayness
A participant wears a religious symbol during EuroPride parade in central Madrid
Lucy Bannerman

"How many of you are in need of some hope here tonight?” A murmur passes through the dark auditorium, pleasing the man with the microphone. Heads nod. “How many of you are at the end of your rope?” he continues. “How many are ready for an encounter with the Lord?” The man on stage, dressed in chinos and a crisp white shirt, is Alan Chambers. The clean-cut, married father of two is the leader of Exodus International, an organisation that believes it can help people to “find freedom from homosexuality through the love of Jesus Christ”.

Exodus is one of the ministries of the so-called “ex-gay” movement, a controversial fundamentalist Christian campaign that encourages gay people to renounce their sexuality. This, its annual conference, promises “an amazing week of breakthroughs, transformations and healings”. A Christian rock band begins to play and the 800 men and women who moments earlier seemed to have only awkwardness in common begin singing and clapping in unison. Eyes closed, they raise their hands above their heads, uplifted by the hope of being reborn.

Chambers later returns to the stage and stands before them, triumphantly heterosexual. He tells the crowd that he won't judge homosexuals, even if their own churches have, because he used to be one himself. In the hushed auditorium, he describes his first experience of a gay bar. “It was almost as if I'd grown up handicapped and everyone else was handicapped, too. But it was a counterfeit. I was fooled.”

“Am I in denial?” he asks. “Absolutely. I live a life of denial and I love it. I didn't choose my same-sex feelings but I do choose how I'm going to steward them. Freedom is possible.” At Exodus people are not gay; they “struggle with same-sex attraction” (SSA).

“The opposite of homosexuality is not heterosexuality,” says Chambers, sagely. “It's holiness.” Speech over, he asks people to come forward to be prayed for. A boy of no more than 16 steps up, hanging his head. When he returns from the stage to the sound of applause, his stony-faced father nods in approval. His mother weeps.

Welcome to ex-gay boot camp.

The belief that homosexuality can be overcome has been fuelling controversy in the US for decades. Although research supporting SSA therapy has been discredited, “ex-gay” ministries are expanding worldwide, even in the UK, where a discreet network practises SSA therapy under the umbrella of “Christian counselling”.

Consider the crisis within the Anglican community over homosexuality, and Exodus begins to offer a strangely seductive solution to reconciling faith and sex. Yet it has been claimed by critics, many of whom have undergone treatment themselves, that some same-sex attraction therapy can exacerbate anxiety and depression, in extreme cases leading to suicidal feelings.

Ridgecrest Retreat is a white, antiseptic blot in the blue-green Smoky Mountains in North Carolina. Masquerading as one of the hundreds of “homosexual strugglers” who visit the Exodus campus, I arrived here after registering online for six days of evangelism psychotherapy.

New arrivals are greeted by a row of friendly staff. Eric, a perfectly coiffured team member from Florida, puts his hand on my shoulder and promises me a “very impactful” experience. Name tags (to be worn at all times) are distributed, as is a schedule of workshops and worship sessions, and room keys. It strikes me as slightly cruel that an event for people battling with their homosexuality should offer shared rooms with strangers of the same sex.

My roommate is Michelle, a 28-year-old who has recently broken up with her girlfriend. A nurse from Ohio who likes Metallica and Christian rock, she has a natural shyness offset by a hearty laugh.

“I used to be out and proud so I can't believe I'm here and not protesting,” she says, “but I wanted to see what it was all about.” This is her first conference and she is accompanied by a support group of impossibly cheerful women, all of whom are ardent believers in the Exodus philosophy.


Continue here: The camp that 'cures' homosexuality -Times Online
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considering the gay community sometimes i'm almost tempted to go to one of these camps
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I don't feel like reading about that crap right now, but I'm sorry to heat you ever considered anything like that On the other hand I'm happy to hear that these considerations are a thing of the past
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I am appaled that such things still exist,this is not the maCarthy era.In South Africa(my country) we have a place called Oranjastad where only whites live!!!!! , which I must add has been a disaster,so yes I can beleive such crap still goes on in teh world in so far as oppressing the minority. No hope for humanity
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but im a CHEERLEADER!
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He tells the crowd that he won't judge homosexuals, even if their own churches have, because he used to be one himself.
ugh, his poor wife, the woman doesn't accept the fact that he would actually prefer cock probably. Fake marriages like that annoy me.... but I guess since he's so busy with being holy and all, genuine sexual feelings aren't important in his breeding cum bff relationship with his "wife".
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but im a CHEERLEADER!
"It's a long, path to righteousness, Megan."

i also was a True Directions t-shirt.

i also know these camps are bullshit. confused, God-fearing bisexuals who think they are going from gay to straight. that and the "techniques" they use to "cure" people. i read about one camp that gave their campers some stuff to eat and then made them watch gay porn and the stuff starts making them nauseous and some of them throw up. it's supposed to damage them so much mentally so that everyone time they see gay porn or think about it, they start to feel sick. these places are sick. i'd much rather burn in hell than psychologically kill myself. i'm not going to be a bulimi-gay, thanks.

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hmm, that article was an interesting read. shocking, but interesting.
also, i agree with what emmah said. the second part.
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i wanna go there and fuck all the men in front of these fools.
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These places are such frauds, obviously the Churches aren't making enough money in donations anymore or something.... I have a friend, his parents forced him into one of these places. I can't believe parents actually would do that to their child!

I'm so glad mine are so liberal minded.

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i also know these camps are bullshit. confused, God-fearing bisexuals who think they are going from gay to straight. that and the "techniques" they use to "cure" people. i read about one camp that gave their campers some stuff to eat and then made them watch gay porn and the stuff starts making them nauseous and some of them throw up. it's supposed to damage them so much mentally so that everyone time they see gay porn or think about it, they start to feel sick. these places are sick. i'd much rather burn in hell than psychologically kill myself. i'm not going to be a bulimi-gay, thanks.
what? that sounds way too fictitious to believe. It's just like a clockwork orange ffs!
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These places are such frauds, obviously the Churches aren't making enough money in donations so . I have a friend, his parents forced him into one of these places. I can't believe parents actually would do that to their child!

I'm so glad mine are so liberal minded.
As this ex-gay shit is run by protestans i assure you that money wasn't the problem.

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One ex-gay leader who has come to the same conclusion is Jeremy Marks. A mild-mannered 56-year-old from Surrey, he pioneered one of the first ex-gay networks in the UK. But after ten years, the attempted suicide of a former resident led him to question the value of SSA therapy. He found that, rather than helping people, it led to depression and dysfunctional behaviour. “They stopped going to church, stopped going to work,” he recalls. “The only ones who appeared to be doing well were those who accepted that they were gay and got on with their lives.” Marks is now openly gay and runs Courage, a support group for gay Christians.

“Really, what the ex-gay movement is all about is salving the conscience of the Christian leaders who don't like to be accused of homophobia,” he says. “That way they can say ‘we don't hate gays - look how we are welcoming them'.”
It's quite an interesting article. thanks for posting it!
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no problem. and I agree, I really don't think it's for the money. these people actually believe that this shit works, and truly want all of us to share their Awesome Hetero Lives.

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well, you know if people choose to go there themselves, if they hate being gay so much and want to repress who they are, then who am i to judge. if they claim it helps, then so be it. but, the people who are forced to go there is another story.

i have a friend who had really religious parents. he came out to them when he was younger. they locked him in a house, called church members over, and tried to perform an exorcism. then, they sent him packing off to one of these places. a really aggressive program. he did room with same sex people. they did fool around. they got caught and went through intense stuff. he is not the same. he has to take medications. he is schizo and hears voices now. but, he finally got away from his parents. he had always accepted who he was. but, he is fucked now. his sister kind of had a break down too. when she was younger. those people should have been put in jail for the things they did to those two. this is totally true. i know both of them. and saw the things that happened with my own eyes. it is so sad.
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