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07-09-2008, 06:16 PM
|  | lucky like luciano. | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: the murder scene.
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Originally Posted by DoloresHaze lol @ Jack Nicholson looking so FUCKING RIDICULOUS compared to heath ledger. | right, and it doesn't even have to do with costuming or makeup.
imagine jack without that makeup on and he seems like your run-of-the-mill overly-friendly old guy at the supermarket. imagine heath without his makeup staring at you like that from the dairy aisle and try imagining yourself not making a beeline for the knife section.
again, it's the essence.
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07-09-2008, 06:39 PM
|  | Behold... | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: If I tell you, come over
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| | Jack was fine as a Joker, it's just his version that wasn't the true essence of who the Joker was, that Ledger nailed.
As far as running for knives though....
I'm thinking Heath almost tried to look that nuts. | 
07-09-2008, 07:19 PM
|  | murder boy | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: the business end
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| | | is the film out in america?
I thought it was later but everyone sounds like they've seen it.
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07-09-2008, 08:22 PM
|  | urbane decay | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | I went out today and bought advance tickets for the very first showing next week at midnight. I did the same thing for Batman Begins back in '05 and it was fun as hell, and I feel like this is going to be soooooooo much cooler... | 
07-09-2008, 10:47 PM
|  | THRILLHO | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | I don't really care to debate anything in here. I'm just here to say that I am so excited for Dark Knight I pee a little whenever someone mentions either word in the title in a sentence.
Oh but I guess I have to mention that Julie Newmar's Catwoman was my first role model/hero/whatever. Not that I'm proud of that or anything. | 
07-10-2008, 04:33 AM
| | to know I'm alive | | Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Ireland
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Originally Posted by RomanNoseJob is the film out in america?
I thought it was later but everyone sounds like they've seen it. | They're just pretentious  | 
07-10-2008, 06:35 PM
|  | urbane decay | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | So did anyone else get Batman: Gotham Knight when it came out this week?
It really is quite a bit like The Animatrix, and it does make a couple subtle references to events that had taken place during and remained as yet unresolved at the end of Batman Begins. | 
07-14-2008, 02:01 PM
|  | no lust in this coma | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Edinburgh
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Originally Posted by Zeke Jack was fine as a Joker, it's just his version that wasn't the true essence of who the Joker was, that Ledger nailed.
As far as running for knives though....
I'm thinking Heath almost tried to look that nuts. | I loved Jack as the Joker, but I think I'm going to prefer what Ledger does with him. I don't think it means that one set of films are better than the others though. They're separate entities as far as I'm concerned.
This picture makes me think how much I'd like to fuck Jack Nicholson though, and I never felt that way about Heath Ledger.
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07-17-2008, 08:30 PM
|  | *mocks with monkeypants* | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: fosters home for imaginary friends
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| | | I had an acting teacher who looked and sounded like a younger Jack Nicholson. He was nuts. But brilliant | 
07-17-2008, 08:31 PM
|  | *mocks with monkeypants* | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: fosters home for imaginary friends
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| | | oh, and
I'm seeing Dark Knight tomorrow!!! LKJALJKGLAKJGALKJ | 
07-17-2008, 09:21 PM
|  | bending spoons | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: mittenland
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| | i've wanted to see this for a long time, way before Heath died. i'm leaving work early just to go.  | 
07-17-2008, 10:10 PM
|  | crown and anchor me | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: at army
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| | is it out in america now? i saw it two days ago. OH MY GOD.  it totally lives up to all the hype.
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07-17-2008, 10:45 PM
|  | urbane decay | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | I'm leaving in about 15 minutes to get there a little early before the midnight show starts. Very, very excited about this. | 
07-17-2008, 11:37 PM
|  | Behold... | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: If I tell you, come over
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| | | I cant see this until at least sunday...maybe saturday if lucky...so tag spoilers if spoilers must be mentioned. | 
07-18-2008, 04:13 AM
|  | urbane decay | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | I just got home from seeing it. This was a little "writeup" I just did on livejournal concerning my thoughts and the overall effect of the film:
I can't lie and say that I "loved" The Dark Knight.
It is one of, if not the single most disturbing, emotionally draining, philosophically complex movies I have ever experienced.
I can't and wouldn't be able to do it justice by trying to do a simple and quick writeup, but I will say that it moves at a near continuous, breakneck pace, has more plot twists and turns than you can possibly fathom going in, and ultimately, I think it can only be labeled a "tragedy".
One thing you take away from it is that the Joker is not merely some anarchic maniac who's hell bent on causing destruction, he's actually a meta-philosophically, metaphysically acute genius who's at all times at least 3 steps ahead of Batman, the police, and all other secondary characters in the film at all times. He would be best deemed a personification of chaos/entropy if not for the fact that he's so insanely hyper-intelligent that he isn't merely immoral, but a being whose consciousness actually exists outside of the realm of rules and morality. He's capable of manipulating the entire system around him, leaving heaps of both physical and emotional destruction as if he's more of a fucking hurricane than even a "villain".
The movie also clearly highlights, at least to me, that Bruce Wayne is merely a name and persona that, whatever he is (since the name Batman is merely symbolic and, as I am now stating, the concept of Bruce Wayne merely a shell), "he" uses. He's only in costume when he's not fighting crime, otherwise "Bruce" is a lonely, isolated specter who's cursed himself, and as we learn, those around him, with the burden of being driven by his sad, obsessive mission. Whether what he's doing is "noble" or merely selfish, (and how can it not be deemed selfish to evolve into a living archetype that's bent on using his own, more methodical version of chaos, fear, and violence to bring down crime and corruption) it becomes clear throughout this film that this personal mission of his spills well beyond his personal control and creates more collateral damage to those he loves and works with than he could have ever foreseen.
Basically, my point here is, when Thomas and Martha Wayne died, Bruce Wayne died with them, and while it may have taken many years for the being that was created to evolve into the "name" and "image" known as Batman, whatever was left of the core of the being began to fall into this cataclysmic abyss within himself.
What we learn in The Dark Knight is simple: The farther "Bruce" falls into that abyss, the more people around him fall into it as well...
You don't get a happy ending. The damsel doesn't get saved. A choice is actually made at the end of the film that is, in it's own paradoxical way, "heroic". But it's a further sacrifice, and the only one that can be made to keep the city from collapsing in on itself and the progress that Batman, Gordon and Dent were beginning to make to remain stable and in place. And it's all built on a new lie and new manipulation, which further highlights that Batman has to further make choices that go against simple black and white "morality" to preserve the greater good.
I think this movie actually broke my heart a little. | 
07-18-2008, 05:57 AM
|  | Hatchet Harry | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: scotland
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Originally Posted by RomanNoseJob
also, is hancock rubbish? because i think the premise sounds good. seriously if I got superpowers, what would I do? I've seen maybe one crime taking place in my life. I think it would just be a lot of wandering about at night. | apparently it is somewhat sporadic and the ending is shit, that's what i've heard.
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07-18-2008, 10:39 AM
|  | *mocks with monkeypants* | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: fosters home for imaginary friends
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| | | bone machine,
that was a very good review. One of the friends that I'm going with guesses the twist in EVERY FUCKING FILM before it comes up so now I'm gonna have to deal with her doing that with all these plot twists and turns you say are gonna be in it. I hope she gets at LEAST half of them wrong. Or doesn't see a lot of them coming. Not to spite one of my best friends, but it drives me and my other friend crazy cus we always watch movies with her and then she'll go "Well that was obvious" and tell us the steps she went to to figure it out way before hand, thus making us look like morons.
I'M SEEING IT IN A FEW HOURS! LKJGLKAJKGAJGLKA OMGSSSS
So I'm gonna bathe, get ready for a party I'm going to afterwards (no, not in the film's honour. but I'm wearing my batman shirt anyways) and then watch Batman Begins again to get myself in the mood. | 
07-18-2008, 11:18 AM
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07-18-2008, 12:59 PM
|  | boilermaker | | Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: DC
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| | | if ledger isnt nominated for an oscar the world is a fucked up place...
movie slayed
those who havent seen it, not even the hype can prepare you for what you are in for | |