I can't wait to over-analyze the performance that drove Ledger over the brink and will probably have him handed a post-humous Oscar.

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Oh, hi Mikey! :-D

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Hullos

this batman is NOT A REMAKE of anything you twats.


Also, Christopher Nolan's Batman spits all over burton's. I mean Nolan NAILED IT. He captured the character and the mood of the series perfectly.

I mean Batman doesn't dwell on a tacky soundstage like he did on the burton films's, nor does he have a batcredit card like in batman and robin, and the joker IS NOT a clown like jack nicholson's, he is a freak, he's evil and there is simply nothing funny about the joker.

Christopher Nolan is the best and this movie is going to be the best.

I’m very excited, I loved Batman Begins and it looks like this one still has a handle on what I liked so much.

I came kind of late to superheroes, I didn’t specifically dislike them when I was younger, and in fact the 60s tv Batman was a favorite of me & my little brother when we were so young I had to read the fights to him and a few years later I enjoyed the Superman movie and all, and the first Burton movie was very good, but as a genre it didn’t do anything in particular for me. At some point in my adulthood – possibly jump-started by Buffy & Angel – I began to relate it to activism and social work and then it all just clicked for me. Just a few weeks ago I was watching some of Batman Begins on TV and I felt like it was a real reminder of why I have the job I do (fundraising for a social services org). I’ve been very down about my job lately, I didn’t take off time to deal with everything that happened to me earlier this year, my commute is twice as long now that I’ve moved so the unwritten rule about not leaving until at least 5:30 is killing me, as is the utter lack of letting us come in late when we have to go to evening events, I hate the assistant director of my department with the fiery passion of a thousand suns, we’re down a person so it’s more work, yadda, yadda. But seeing that movie again reminded me, really, of why I’m here – I believe that Gotham can be saved, and if I don’t stand up and do what I can, why should anyone else?

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That's such a lemmingish thing to say. There's this idea that everything Burton did was bad and everything Nolan does is perfect. Which isn't true. Only most of what Burton did was bad, and a lot of that has to do with Batman Returns.

Nicholson was a great Joker, and wasn't just a campy figure played for laughs. He joybuzzes a guy to death, and has a conversation with his fried and still smoking corpse. That scene alone gives him all the Joker credibility he needs.

The only problems were plot-wise and therefore beyond his control. The fact he killed Bruce Wayne's parents and then later died himself. And I guess his age and portliness could be seen as problems. But for performance alone, he did a brilliant job.

well not for me. There shouldn't be anything campy about the joker.

TYhe only brilliant thing about what tim burton did is Catwoman and even that is debatable(sp?) because her glamour got trampled by the penguin who has no interest value whatsoever.

What made you hate it? I can imagine you won't like this one either if you didn't like it...

It's not a remake at all. The nature of comic books is that there are parallel "universes" I guess, and so you have superheroes as kids with their own storylines and you have the same characters as adults in their own comics with their own storylines. Then theres the Justice League where they all team up and have their own storylines there... Basically, the Nolan Batman is entirely different form the Burton Batman who is entirely different from Adam West... The Joker has different backstories in all of these, and so on, and that's allowed. It's just how Marvel and DC and others work.

I've considered taking the day off work for this film. I think it'll be amazing.

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I still think they are tied as too which is the best. I mean people are saying nolans one was this dark realistic thing compared to burtons campy effort. But come on, nolans did have a made up kung fu cult in it.

how batman started up was really good, but to be honest I thought the actual plot of batman begins was a bit crap.

whatever, also, I would make a great joker.

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Cool, coz I really wanna be Batman!

Where shall we have a showdown?

if I was the joker, which I am btw, then I wouldn't have showdowns. Maybe I'm a bit of more relaxed motive wise than that joker, i would kill people but it would just be for fun. you'd probably just catch me buying chemicals at B&Q so there maybe?

(this is probably going to ruin this thread for everyone miker ol' buddy haha)

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*is no longer Mikerochip, but BATMAN*

Yeah, I'd catch you, but I couldn't kill you,
and why the hell not??

*wants to kill you and be done with this charade*

no you couldn't, because you know you need me to have a purpose.

also, is hancock rubbish? because i think the premise sounds good. seriously if I got superpowers, what would I do? I've seen maybe one crime taking place in my life. I think it would just be a lot of wandering about at night.

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lol you're such a retard

Batman doesn't have superpowers. That's what makes him different from the others like Spiderman and Superman etc.

I gotta say that Batman smokes those other comic book character films as well. They all come off way too computerized and CGI effected....

Batman is gritty and dark, has a much more realistic feel to it. The characters are far more compelling, and quite frankly, the actors are usually far more talented.

If I had to have a silly superpower though, I'd probably go for inivisibility.

Invisibility eh?

That really appeals to the voyeur in me.
Good power, if slightly useless.

I'd like to be a green lantern personally

Why is it so hard to accept that different people want different things out of a movie, and therefore the Burton/Nolen question is not a matter of strict fact and doesn't need to be settled with a duel? I get all wet over the social responsibility thing, so I prefer Batman Begins to Burton's Batman, and I'd bet good money I'll feel the same about The Dark Knight, but other people may be more into other aspects of the the Batman thing, and thus feel differently (or prefer BB/TDK for entirely different reasons). The characters were around for a long, long time before Burton's movie, and there are various ways they can be interpreted without being 'wrong.'

That said, the Joker is wearing a fucking clown costume. And is fucking called the Joker. He could be done without camp, and preferring that is fine, but to say he can't be camp is just stupid.

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Well I'd massively perv with just such a power, but it wouldnt be totally useless either...I mean, I could kick serious ass in a very cowardly manner by not being seen. All the bad guys that I'd normally not be able to manhandle would realize quickly that I am a man to be feared while invisible.

I like to say (and I love getting to use this line) that Batman's superpowers are money and post-traumatic stress disorder. Not having innate superpowers does make him different, he had to work for it, although it couldn't have been done without the money that he was just handed, he didn't have special powers that made him feel obligated to devoting his life to helping others. Money is a powerful force, and I believe at least in his older incarnation, Bruce Wayne is supposed to be quite the philanthropist, but he went way beyond the obvious and the easy.

Although Spiderman has his own unique thing as well, Bruce Wayne was always going to be Important in some way, Clark Kent is essentially the prince of a lost people, but Peter Parker is just some guy from Queens.

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[quote=ella luciana;1052298]What made you hate it? I can imagine you won't like this one either if you didn't like it...QUOTE]

Well, for one thing...I really enjoy the storyline of the original. I even like Batman Returns and the others but not as much as the original. It had a dark feel to