Originally Posted by bone machine

Yes, I remember the bit in Year One where one of the cops says he's inhuman. They also have that panel where Flask, post-getting his ass beat by Gordon and in a cast and on crutches, is standing there WITH Gordon and Sarah Essen whilst behind him there are three descriptive "sketches" displayed: One where he's made out to look like dracula, another where he looks like a bat, and the third which most closely resembles what he really looks like.

AND if we're getting technical, Michael Keaton didn't use "Mr. Monster Voice" and shit, yet the script for that one had one of that two thugs that encountered him on the rooftop in his first appearance in Batman '89 saying he wasn't human, that he was a "six foot bat". And he didn't even have to growl at anyone to inspire that reaction.

Yes, you are correct, Kevin Conroy DID come up with two entirely different inflections for Bruce and for Batman, and what I'm fucking saying is, his were some of the MOST effective in the entire history of the character in this sort of media and did NOT rely on fuckin' growlin' at people. Even his Batman voice sounded human and was capable of emoting beyond visceral grunts.

And yes, asshat, Batman: Year One IS fucking epic. So is The Dark Knight Returns and so is the motherfucking Watchmen. I've have copies of all of said seminal comic works since I was a pre-adolescent, so it isn't like I don't know my ass from the source material when I express these opinions, and I still find you to be a self-righteous asshat of a sycophantic douchebag.

I will take this a step further though, and I will be intelligent about this to get my point across: the reasons we WANT Batman to have some measurable amount of humanity and charisma is because of what he stands for. He is an ordinary human being with no super-powers. Both the criminal justice system AND the law enforcement in his city failed him, and that is why his parents were killed, and THAT is why he pushed himself to the point of obsession to hone his physical and mental prowess to become something more than human. It's actually inspirational that he had the strength of character, the drive and determination to transform himself into a living symbol to attempt to right the wrongs that led to his parents murder, and while I understand that one in that position would have to employ a certain amount of tactics to conceal his everyday identity, I still think that the pain and trauma that this man experienced and what it drove him to is what is most compelling about this character, and I think that Bale's growling while in the batsuit does kinda get away from that a little bit, at least for me.

Originally Posted by Wildwoman

Me either. He looks more aristocratic and a lot less like a chimp (Bush Sr is a lot more aristocratic looking).

I still remember large chunks of the NYT review of Batman Begins (which hit on a lot of things I liked), including applauding the casting because he was believably playing Bruce Wayne as well as Batman, due to his aura of "What used to be called breeding, and is now called entitlement." That refers to more than looks, of course, but I think it's pretty on the money.

Originally Posted by Wildwoman

Clearly, it's over your head. Out of the thread!

Originally Posted by DoloresHaze

no it's not, it's because english is not my first language.

Originally Posted by Wildwoman

I know, and your English is excellent. But you ruined the thread for everyone else, so I'm not going to bother defining things for you.

Originally Posted by DoloresHaze

And yes, Batman is so inspirational, I mean the sacrifice he makes at the end of The Dark Knight after having lost so fucking much, it really moved me.

Originally Posted by bone machine

You and I have this in common, so much so that I'll admit that I found myself emotionally drained and nearly ready to cry after the first time I saw the film, particularly because of Bruce losing the woman he loved.

You're still a fucking shithead, though.

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

i thought heath ledger's joker was boring. the joker's great because he's dark and psychotic while he's being hysterical and manic and laughy and smiley. he made him into this totally lethargic fat old drunk type of character.

Originally Posted by DoloresHaze

how dare you. HOW FUCKING DARE YOU!!!????


The joker is a psycopath, he is not a pansy, he is not a fruitcake and he is not a clown. If you want those things, go see Batman by tim burton.

His performance was GENIUS, it was real. He made the joker a real person, someone that could exist and who surely exists in this world.

His performance reminded me of Aileen Wournous. Aileen was a psycopath and she had this really weird demeanour and how she talked and moved her hands and all, and heath did something similar with the joker, he talked in a weird way and moved in a weird way because the engines in his brain are not wired properly, because he is a psycopath.

It was so deep that I saw him actually as a character in pain. He has to live with this fucked up biology, wich makes him evil. And he suffers but can he stop it? no, it's his nature.

i saw that on the interrogation scene when he was projecting himself unto the commissioner.

Originally Posted by Jean-Paul

Calm down. You clearly relate deeply to the joker, and we can all see why.

And no one can take that from you.......