Hey all,

Basically, I dont think Courtney Love is musically relevant anymore. I feel that if she did release an album it would get no radio play and it wouldnt sell more than 300,000 copies if she's even that lucky.

But I was watching Juno and Doll Parts was played for a few seconds. Do these little snippets here and there make Courtney relevant today? I know thats a dumb question, but if a big budget, Academy Award nominated film plays Hole, what does that say about her?

Any thoughts?

that the filmmakers like Hole?

i doubt juno was that big budgeted. but it's great to see hole get props like that. writer diablo cody does look like a girl who'd like her Hole. i bet she also likes Veruca Salt.

definitely a hole fan. her next piece is called Jennifer's Body

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I’m not sure the question matches the situation. Whether she has a musical legacy of any kind isn’t the same as whether she is currently musically relevant. I think a song like ‘Doll Parts’ is a classic of sorts, generations of girls will discover it and claim it for their own. It’s a song that has great appeal to a certain type of person, those people will never be the majority, but there will always be some of them. I think ‘Pretty on the Inside’ as an album is perhaps the most perfect aural representation of the inside of a teenage girl’s head I’ve ever heard, and there will always be some people who feel that way. But none of that says anything one way or the other about her current relevancy. I also am pretty sure the people who made this movie are about my age.

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I THINK that clove is more relevant than people who have never recorded albums.

but you shouldn't be here. none of you should be here. DEATH!

no, she's not relevant anymore. but LTT is.

What she said.

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People still like the song Doll Parts even if they don't know/or care about Courtney. It's an easy song to play on guitar and all that. I was just a party last night and someone started playing Doll Parts on guitar and someone else was making up new words to the song. And it was played on the radio and MTV when it first came out so of course people will know the song.

I was going to say some sort of combination of the two posts I quote. Both say much the same thing: the music continues to be relevant to a minority. Courtney Love, as a person, isn't really.

ok, yea maybe i didnt phrase the question properly.

i just imagined her showing up at the Oscars saying "my song is in the movie. i so deserve to ber here blah blah blah". like it will give her bragging rights to think shes a real celebrity or something. i dont know.

Yeah, she probably would do something like that, and she would be, as usual, wildly exagerating. The song is, in my opinion, a classic, and something she can deservedly be proud of. But it's over 15 years old and she hasn't done anything that was such a big deal since (although I think Celebrity Skin actually sold more, but Doll Parts is a Signature Song, and there really hasn't been another). It doesn't make her relevant now, movies use older songs all the time, probably usually because there is already a cultural meaning attached to them that the filmaker wishes to either use as narrative shorthand, or turn on its ear.

Someone here once said something about George Lucas resting on his laurels for something he did 30 years ago, and although I'm not for the most part fond of any of his recent work, I felt that Star Wars was important enough to the history of movies that the dismissal wasn't fair, even though it was technically not inaccurate. Even though Hole means more to me personally than Star Wars, I don't think you could say the same.

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I don't think it says anything about her. Maybe if "Hold on to Me" was used in the film instead of "Doll Parts" if would raise the question of Courtney's relevance today.

But "Doll Parts" and Live Through This was a big deal back in 94/95. Several major publications voted it album of the year, so it's not like it was ignored at the time.

If anything, it just says Courtney's old songs are sort of like her kid. Better off in somebody else's care.

Well the soundtrack also features, primarily Kimya Dawson and the Moldy Peaches but i dont think they're particularly relevant today or would get airplay so make of that what you will...

Speaking of The Moldy Peaches, one of their songs scored a huge hit in South America on a toothpaste add recently.

she is a real celebrity asshat, a lousy one like britney spears or roseanne

as stated before

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thats pretty much it.

plus the song in the movie is in context. they start playing it just a few moments after debating wether it was 93 or 77 the best year for music. and i mean, juno seems the kind of girl that could listen to hole, and they're a band from the guy's ''glorius days'' so i think that makes them just the perfect group for that 'intimate' moment. i dont know if my point comes out clear from my rant, but anyway... and no, that doesnt make courtney 'relevant' today, in any way, as (may i add?) to me, the woman that sung to my heart when i was a kid, has disappeared and has been replaced by that creep monster they use to call courtney love nowadays

i wish they sang something from exile in guyville or something by pj harvey.

I think that the characters were just bonding and that he used a girl song to do that. It also would hva e to be something that people recognize...I am not sure a lot would know Liz or PJ's stuff as they weren't as widely known from that time.