i feel ok starting a thread about this here. i was prepared to be disappointed by the XMEN films because I understand how Hollywood feels about its control of the genre - absolutist and totalitarian.

as such they have no real "respect" for artists who work in flat planes and two dimensions. the result is that they try to ape still artists and flat plane and panel artists -- like Bill Sinkiewicz and Arthur Adams, two among the many who modernized XMEN from the 1960s

they think that they are better just because they make a lot of money. anyone who studied Dada even a little knows that that is the sort of attitude capitalistic folk have about art, and why Dada had to happen.


as it is, Daredevil and 500 both sort of are floppy. Esp. Daredevil.

when Marvel made a comic it could look alot like another title they did. of course "snob admirers" won't agree. well, they can start a competitive thread or do that 'nobody cares anyway' pose that works. for them.

yes, that's pretty much my feeling on this thread as well, but w/e.

What's interesting to me about this thread is that I saw it on the side in this new "latest threads" thing and immediately thought of you and wondered if you ever saw the ATHF movie? (and then I came into the thread and you're here! hallo!)

the politic implications of certain sci fi must be mentioned. XMEN says things that STAR TREK doesn't say: as in Wolverine is basically a cop killer and they MEANT to say that in the movie. But he's not offing street cops -- but black clad NWO special ops types who home invade. And him in putting them down has a whole message about gov't. The film doesn't go into enough detail -- when Chris Claremont created the Wolverine character in the 1980s he was talking about MKULTRA before it was even "edgy" -- but he was talking about MKULTRA, Operation MONARCH and other mind controlled-killer creation programmes made by the NWO and secret gov't.
XMEN has always discussed the Illuminati. Their archenemies the Brotherhood are called in the comic "the Hell Fire Club" and are meant to be a simpering but comically accurate parody of the Illuminati -- which is why they dressed like eighteenth century Victorian fops in the comics and animated series.

This is not lost on all people who see the films but it doesn't always register with the conscious mind. The idea of something like Magneto's "Brotherhood" being REAL is too ludicrous and absurd...

no actually input.