ok, so I was watching The Farewell Tour on A&E, and she has all these clips from the sonny and cher show, and then her show, and her movies, and obviously the show itself and I just couldn't stop thinking that, inspite of all her tackiness, Cher is an amazing performer. In every sense of the word. She's a talented singer, she can put a good show, she's great in tv, she has lots of comedic timing and she's a very decent actress. She's like the whole package. I think she's great, and underrated.

next she's going to do In The Pink with Tim Allen(YUCK)

I really respect her, if only for Mask. I think that's one of greatest performances ever. I don't care if it makes me an uber homo for liking her. Her music and other movies I'm not too big on, but Mask is amazing.

On the note of her new movie. I love that Tim Allen is the only comedic actor these days whos leading ladies arent 20 years younger than him. Kudos for him for realising how gross it is to see Harrison Ford make out with tweens.

oh and I dont think I can get any gayer than this but another great all around performer is Bette Midler. I think a lot of these women suffer from being billed as acts for gay men. It seems to be a tool used to devalue their talent.

Anyways, Bette is actually really great, shes done great comedies, drama, great tv concerts, a few brilliant albums, and is one of the greatest talk show guests ever. I had a lot of reservations about liking her because she was considered too gay but her first record is great, The Rose is great and her 80's comedies are funny, so fuck it.

Same for Cher, she has some great music, some great movies and works really hard to entertain.

you are totally right!! these women get labelled as gay acts, and that's only to devalue their talent like you said. Like somehow they are "uncool" wich they are not.

Bette Middler is also great, I remember seeing Divine Madness on tv, I think that's the name of the show, it was hilarious. I mean she sang but she was also doing stand up comedy, it was so hilarious. And she would play different characters, and she was totally vulgar, I mean it was great. Cher did that type of comedy back in the 70's. I think they are both in the same league, they both belong to this group of multi talented performes who can do basically anything, and they are not afraid of laughing at themselves and looking tacky and over the top, wich I think is cool.

My favorite Cher movie is Tea With Mussollini. I loved it. The Witches of Eastwick is like an 80's classic for me. And I love Mermaids and Moonstruck. I haven't seen Silkwood but I would love to see it, is it good?

I'm not really a fan of Cher or Bette, but they are super-talented, ballsy women and I have lots of respect for them, especially for lasting in show business for so long. I like that they're both a little bawdy, too...they seem like they'd be fun to party with.