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Old 03-26-2007, 01:45 PM
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Despite controversy, Disney could unlock 'Song of the South'

Mickey News °o° - Despite controversy, Disney could unlock 'Song of the South'

Walt Disney Co.'s 1946 film "Song of the South" was historic. It was Disney's first big live-action picture and produced one of the company's most famous songs - the Oscar-winning "Zip-a-Dee-Doo-Dah." It also carries the story line of the Splash Mountain rides at its theme parks.

But the movie remains hidden in the Disney archives - never released on video in the United States and criticized as racist for its depiction of Southern plantation blacks. The film's 60th anniversary passed last year without a whisper of official rerelease, which is unusual for Disney, but President and CEO Bob Iger recently said the company was reconsidering.

The film's reissue would surely spark debate, but it could also sell big. Nearly 115,000 people have signed an online petition urging Disney to make the movie available, and out-of-print international copies routinely sell online for $50-$90, some even more than $100.

Iger was answering a shareholder's inquiry about the movie for the second year in a row at Disney's annual meeting in New Orleans. This month the Disney chief made a rerelease sound more possible.

"The question of 'Song of the South' comes up periodically, in fact it was raised at last year's annual meeting ..." Iger said. "And since that time, we've decided to take a look at it again because we've had numerous requests about bringing it out. Our concern was that a film that was made so many decades ago being brought out today perhaps could be either misinterpreted or that it would be somewhat challenging in terms of providing the appropriate context."

"Song of the South" was re-shown in theaters in 1956, 1972 and 1986. Both animated and live-action, it tells the story of a young white boy, Johnny, who goes to live on his grandparents' Georgia plantation when his parents split up. Johnny is charmed by Uncle Remus - a popular black servant - and his fables of Brer Rabbit, Brer Bear and Brer Fox, which are actual black folk tales.

Remus' stories include the famous "tar baby," a phrase Republican presidential hopefuls John McCain and Mitt Romney were recently criticized for using to describe difficult situations. In "Song of the South," it was a trick Brer Fox and Brer Bear used to catch the rabbit - dressing a lump of hot tar as a person to ensnare their prey. To some, it is now a derogatory term for blacks, regardless of context.

The movie doesn't reveal whether it takes place before or after the Civil War, and never refers to blacks on the plantation as slaves. It makes clear they work for the family, living down dirt roads in wood shacks while the white characters stay in a mansion. Remus and other black characters' dialogue is full of "ain't nevers," "ain't nobodys," "you tells," and "dem days's."

"In today's environment, 'Song of the South' probably doesn't have a lot of meaning, especially to the younger audiences," said James Pappas, associate professor of African-American Studies at the University of New York at Buffalo. "Older audiences probably would have more of a connection with the stereotypes, which were considered harmless at the time."

Pappas said it's not clear that the movie is intentionally racist, but it inappropriately projects Remus as a happy, laughing storyteller even though he's a plantation worker.

"Gone with the Wind," produced seven years earlier, endured the same criticism and even shares a common actress (Hattie McDaniel, who won an Oscar for "Gone" for playing the house slave "Mammy").

However, Pappas said he thinks the movie should be rereleased because of its historical significance. He said it should be prefaced, and closed, with present-day statements.

"I think it's important that these images are shown today so that especially young people can understand this historical context for some of the blatant stereotyping that's done today," Pappas said.

From a financial standpoint, Iger acknowledged last year that Disney stood to gain from rereleasing "Song." The company's movies are popular with collectors, and Disney has kept sales strong by tightly controlling when they're available.

Christian Willis, a 26-year-old IT administrator in San Juan Capistrano, Calif., started a "Song" fan site in 1999 to showcase memorabilia. He soon expanded it into a clearinghouse for information on the movie that now averages more than 800 hits a day and manages the online petition.

Willis said he doesn't think the movie is racist, just from a different time.

"Stereotypes did exist on the screen," he said. "But if you look at other films of that time period, I think 'Song of the South' was really quite tame in that regard. I think Disney did make an effort to show African Americans in a more positive light."

Though Willis is hopeful, there's still no telling when - or if - the movie could come out (beyond its copyright lapsing decades from now).

For this story, Buena Vista Home Entertainment, Disney's distribution arm, issued a statement: "Song of the South is one of a handful of titles that has not seen a home distribution window. To this point, we have not discounted nor committed to any distribution window concerning this title."


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i would be really suprised if this was released. disney is all about the $$$. i just can't imagine that this film would generate enough people who actually buy it to make the company happy.
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Kids dont care about political undertones, its a great kids movie and they need to get over it and release it already...
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Kids dont care about political undertones, its a great kids movie and they need to get over it and release it already...
I agree. I don't think I've seen it, but I know the stories and I used to really like them, and I haven't grown up to be a raging white supremacist.
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that crappy old video is worth 100$!!

im totally selling mine on ebay.

p.s. i love the absolutley absurd concept of a fucking 'disney vault'. i want to barf everytime they say "released from the disney vault' is if it's some really obscure, bizarre forbidden place they ventured into -- just for you, the consumer -- to get your stupid fucking movie.. so you'd better be grateful.. this is your only chance to get pocahontas IIIV, assholes.
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Oooh, my parents had tried for years in the 90s to find this movie so that I could see it, but to no avail. I did have some Briar Rabbit books -- good stuff!
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do you think there literally is a vault?
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do you think there literally is a vault?
if there is, its probably somewhere in toontown now. its probably all oversized and wacky colors.

i'd watch this movie. ive only seen clips of it, but its probably pretty good. how can you watch it and not realize the historical context of it? however, i dont think the preface and the closing segment is a bad idea. it could at least be included on the dvd...which im sure it would.

i wish that all disney movies could have dvd releases not produced by disney. there should be a semi-academic discussion of all their animated movies. snow white would be an awesome one for some objective commentary....how they sweetened things up, etc etc.
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"Song of the South" was re-shown in theaters in 1956, 1972 and 1986.
i remember seeing this in the theatre but my boyfriend refused to believe me. i'll have to rub it in his face.
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if there is, its probably somewhere in toontown now. its probably all oversized and wacky colors.

i'd watch this movie. ive only seen clips of it, but its probably pretty good. how can you watch it and not realize the historical context of it? however, i dont think the preface and the closing segment is a bad idea. it could at least be included on the dvd...which im sure it would.

i wish that all disney movies could have dvd releases not produced by disney. there should be a semi-academic discussion of all their animated movies. snow white would be an awesome one for some objective commentary....how they sweetened things up, etc etc.
I totally agree! There's a lot of political incorrectness in old Disney movies, but I think that makes them all the more valuable for the sake of history and/or discussion, you know? When my daughter was a baby, I bought her a bunch of those "Best of Disney" Compilations.

They were like "Mix Videos" of Disney songs from every movie they ever made, and "Zippety Doo Dah" was on one of them, as well as a lot of other little gems whose movies haven't been seen in decades. I have like 10 of those videos with hundreds of songs, some really obscure ones.

Another politically incorrect Disney Movie....(in its original form??) Peter Pan! Remember the Indian song? "What makes the red man red!" all that shit. Would NEVER happen now.
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not a big fan of the movie but i dont think it is blatantly racist. i think the reason it hasnt been released is cos its crap!
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well I didn't even know this movie existed so I don't really care.

So the movie is racist, I don't know what should be done about it.

I personally love Betty Boop cartoons and I remember an episode of babies and the black babies where so fucking ugly and the mom was like a gorilla and they were like not civilized, like they were on a theater and the baby was eating a watermelon and the baby would throw the seeds and the white people's head in front of them, I mean it's massively racist.

I think that episode was banned or something, I don't know.

I really don't know what should be done.
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I think I've read the book-version of it -- I think in a collection with Disney books complete with audio tapes -- when I was a kid. I'll have to check into that.

Really... I think that back in the day things were much less "politically correct", films were often racist (and sometimes homophobic, machist, whatever). But not releasing it because of that is just stupid, I mean if the film had been made in the last 10 years I could see why. But being from back in the day, it should work (and probably most people would see that way) as a kids film, entertainment and even as a way of seeing what films in the past were like. Makes about as much sense as banning random stuff from Ancient Greece pointing out that women had practically no rights in certain cities (in others they did, though).



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Makes about as much sense as banning random stuff from Ancient Greece pointing out that women had practically no rights in certain cities (in others they did, though).
Well, that's because Greece at the time was more of a collection of city states, not a whole country.

Anyways, I think with a proper disclaimer to shut a lot of people up it would be appropriate for viewers, but it would have to be explained before viewing which a lot of kids hate. I think it would be better received by older audiences anyways as a flashback.
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well I didn't even know this movie existed so I don't really care.

So the movie is racist, I don't know what should be done about it.

I personally love Betty Boop cartoons and I remember an episode of babies and the black babies where so fucking ugly and the mom was like a gorilla and they were like not civilized, like they were on a theater and the baby was eating a watermelon and the baby would throw the seeds and the white people's head in front of them, I mean it's massively racist.

I think that episode was banned or something, I don't know.

I really don't know what should be done.
omg lol I think I remember this!
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There are all sorts of questionable morals in Disney's movies. A lot of their older films were blatantly sexist, and focus solely on white culture. And did anybody else find the Little Mermaid to be based in Christian morality? The whole concept that Ariel disobeys her father's wishes (God), and nearly has everyone killed at the hands of Ursula (Satan)? Albeit, it's Hans Christian Anderson, but still...

Not to mention all of the supposed subliminal messages contained within the films...

It's kind of interesting that they actually made a movie with black characters at the forefront. Alas, I've never even heard of it.

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I personally love Betty Boop cartoons and I remember an episode of babies and the black babies where so fucking ugly and the mom was like a gorilla and they were like not civilized, like they were on a theater and the baby was eating a watermelon and the baby would throw the seeds and the white people's head in front of them, I mean it's massively racist.
well they still air old tom and jerry cartoons in the states with the mammy character. THOMAS!
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There are all sorts of questionable morals in Disney's movies. A lot of their older films were blatantly sexist, and focus solely on white culture. And did anybody else find the Little Mermaid to be based in Christian morality? The whole concept that Ariel disobeys her father's wishes (God), and nearly has everyone killed at the hands of Ursula (Satan)? Albeit, it's Hans Christian Anderson, but still...
That isn't the story. At all. The original story could definitely be interpreted as a very dark and disturbing view of feminine conformity to please men no matter what. Angela Carter's attempts at "reconstructed fairy tales" should have been so good.

I've come to the conclusion after a lifetime that Disney is evil. I haven't been able to sit through one of their features in I don't know how long. No matter how PC or accessible they try to make their product, it always ends up like an alien's idea of good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. They try too hard. That, and they're evil.
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