Tobi Vail on Riot Grrrl... - Page 4

livoline · #16 05-05-2006, 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy-o

By the way- looking at the video again, I realized that The Slits were doing what Bikini Kill was doing back in 1977. In fact all women in Punk were spreading the same message....

So what's BK's Point?

BK's point is that no matter how many people said the same thing as they say (or said) society is still not perfect. there are still plenty who did not get the message. and they try to reach them.

I personally think tobi is not that bad.

livoline · #17 05-05-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by PinkIndieFairy

One day you'll understand that beauty is not what matters, and that many feminists are fucking beautiful.

thank you.

every day I "know" you I love you more and more <3!

livoline · #18 05-05-2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Cleetus

It doesn't matter what she looks like. Dating a member of Bikini Kill was good for credibility.
Ever read Kurt's journals or one of his interviews? He was obsessed with PC'ness and what was perceived as cool.

journals? no.
interviews? yes.

I think that there is nothing bad about being PC. and I got the impression that he meant it.

as far as "being cool" is concerned: “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone”
everyone wants to be accepted. probably kurt just liked the scene he was in and thought the people there were great and he wanted them to accept him. that is normal. especially if you are as self-conscious as kurt probably was.

But I don't think he dated Tobi because of credibility.
She was an artist. and how many artists say that only other artists understand them. having broken up w/Tracy he probably thought she was nice and they got along...
what is wrong about that???

PinkIndieFairy · #19 05-05-2006, 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by livoline

thank you.

every day I "know" you I love you more and more <3!

Hehe. I feel that we share many common views too.

It's just that I'm so annoyed by completely stupid comments such as "she became a feminist because she was too ugly to get the boys!". That's bullshit! Kathleen is pretty, Tobi is pretty, and tons of feminists are pretty if not fucking gorgeous. Paris Hilton gets tons of boys yet I don't find her pretty at all. So it doesn't make any SENSE.

lucy · #20 05-05-2006, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Candy-o

hot "fuck me' grunge girl vibe/look going for her

i think you kind of sort of missed the point of feminism.

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But my second and most important comment is- frankly, I miss Toby Vail's point. BK was all into female empowerment "pick up your guitar, do what the guys do" but all I get from them is alot of whiny self absorbed mind trips. They spew out anger and bitterness and resentment without real in depth solutions. I'm pretty certain that chanting "huggy bear" into a microphone is not going to produce the same results as one female telling another female "go to school, study Law, or Medicine or Finance, get your masters, get a job then kick major boy ass- then you can drive them off stage.."

THEN you can drive them off stage?

so, as a girl, in addition to of course being perfectly gorgeous and having a "hot "fuck me' grunge girl vibe/look" to me, i have to go to school, study Law, or Medicine or Finance, get my masters, get a job then kick major boy ass to prove that i'm worthy to play my guitar on stage?