Originally Posted by araucaria

since the diet and exercise consultant he spoke to said that in the UK, 98% of people who diet put the weight back on and 45% put on even more, i think his point is fair. fat people aren't going away and the world needs to accommodate them. that doesn't mean that we shouldn't seek to improve diet and exercise habits, particularly in children; it just means that we have to recognise that where someone has an existing weight problem, it probably isn't going anywhere.

the section at the beginning, where he talked about the secret fat world, and how constrained his life is because there are so few places that will accommodate him, made me cry. especially the part where he was saying the constant covert problemsolving he had to do made him ashamed. i think i started blubbing when he admitted he hid unhealthy food while loudly ordering healthy food in shops.

Originally Posted by badbadllama

YES, exactly. Being clinically obese is just as dangerous as being extremely underweight.

Originally Posted by violet_jones

i really understand where your coming from but if you said someone had an existing weight and it was cos they were underweight would you then say the problem isn't going anywaywhere.

Originally Posted by violet_jones

i really understand where your coming from but if you said someone had an existing weight and it was cos they were underweight would you then say the problem isn't going anywaywhere. at 7 and a half stone i fit just into the group of clinically anorexic and i have had no end of pressure from doctors and families as soon as my weight fell below what they saw as safe they were on to me like a tonne of bricks. my diet is monitered and im only allowed to the gym 2 times a week instead of my usual 5. personnaly i don't look upon myself as an anorexic, i'm very much on the border, but i'm ust saying as soon as i hit that border it was instantly seen as a servere problem to be corrected straight away. it takes less than you think to be clinically obese and if someone was slightly obese i doubt there would be the fuss i got, however both under and over really do hurt yourself.
hope that all made sense and you don't think im having a go at you.

Originally Posted by Jaded

all of the fast food places around here have started to be open for 24 hours and it sickens me. its just MORE oppurtunity for people to get fat. i cannot tell you how many people i serve at the restaurant that i work in that need tables instead of boothes because they literally CANT fit in them. its so sad. i want to take away they fatty pizza and give them a salad.

Originally Posted by amphibian

How tall are you? Just wondering what is considered so unhealthy these days.

Originally Posted by goere

Mmhmm. I live in Europe, and basically EVERYONE I know who went to the US (be it 2 weeks or 1 year) came back with more weight. It's, of course - no personal (?)- offense, but your fast food chains are insane. All these drive ins... we don't have that (except for McDonald's, Burger King and KFC, but not in every town, and not in a central location). We have fast food and take aways, too; but mostly you have to walk to get it. And it's way more expensive than homemade food.

Originally Posted by araucaria

no, because people with life-threatening ED's either die or recover. they don't carry on being dangerously underweight their entire life and relapsing, in the way that overweight poeple do. it's not quite comparable, i don't think.

many people do relapse from anorexia and some become bulimiac as well/instead.


anorexia nervosa is a syndrome, not a measurement. you may be underweight, but you are not anorectic unless you are suffering from anorexia. if you persistently starve yourself, overexercise, panic about food, if you have a vastly dysmorphic idea of your own body, if you are secretive and duplicitous in order to avoid eating, and if you have some of the most common physical symptoms associated with anorexia - dizziness, insomnia, salt craving, low blood pressure - you are probably anorectic. being underweight and dieting increase the likelihood of anorexia - it is possible to starve oneself into it - but for other people, anorexia develops without any history of underweight.

ok first of all i did not claim that i was serverely anorexic and i know what anorexia is having been a patient at the priory for 3 years so didn't really need a briefing (but i know you were only giving it to be helpful, so don't take that the wrong way, i do most of those things you mentioned so i know i have an eating disorder but i don't know if i'd call it servere anorexia, it's a problem it's being treated i hate being treated and being forced to eat but i understand why they're doing it. i admit i fight tooth and nail against the doctors but i don't think they're being unresonable. though it has not got to the point where i'm serverely, dangoursely underweight they're nipping it in the bud before i do become that. there have been many times when bras and tops don't fit me due to my smaller size and i don't bitch about it i accept the consequences of losing so much weight sure it's annoying but it's my own fault. a lot of obese people don't seem to think it is their fault and that they have to lose weight, they don't recognise that it's an eating disorder. obese people are also secreative in the same way anorexics hide food to throw awy, obese people hide junk food to gorge on.


that's because anorexia is treatable and recoverable, and the faster the better. it's also because it's an earlier risk to life than overweight.

obesity is treatable there were many on the addictions ward at the priory, a risk is a risk wether it takes a few months or a few years, most obese people get fatter and fatter without much fuss being made and although the death may not be as quick it's still a very high risk they might die in their forties when theyre married with kids.


i agree, and obesity is a serious issue that is under recognised and under treated. but what the programme was saying is that fat people live in a world that they literally can't fit into: cars, seats, toilets, clothes - and the presenter's argument was not 'fat isn't a problem', it was 'some people are always going to be fat and the world needs to cater for them'.

i understand where your coming from here, and maybe we should try to accomadate them more. maybe people think that by doing so though may encourage tthem not to bother losing weight. but having cars that don't fit them etc is def going too far your right, they need to do summit bout it


no, it's fine. i'm not having a go at you either.

Originally Posted by lyrical

I want to know as well! O__o

I lolled at clinicaly anorexic & i'm glad someone else corrected that lass.

Originally Posted by violet_jones

im 5 ft 5 see quite little which is why i've stated i don't believe it's serious anorexia and as for correcting me about clicinical anorexia.i was merely quoting what the eating diorder specialist told me i wasn't saying she was right guess i shoulda made that clearer, so yeh don't correct the lass correct the lass's doctor

Originally Posted by amphibian

Fair enough...that's a werid doctor.