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Old 08-24-2006, 02:10 AM
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'Survivor's' New Racial Divide

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14482071/

Leave it to "Survivor" producer Mark Burnett to find the one thing you definitely didn't think he would do. As announced on this morning's "Early Show," the cast of the 13th "Survivor," set in the Cook Islands and scheduled to premiere Sept. 14, will initially square off in teams divided by race. That's right: the season will begin with a bloated cast of 20, and they will be divided into four tribes, which the show is calling the White Tribe, the African-American Tribe, the Asian-American Tribe and the Hispanic Tribe. If your reaction is "oof," you are not alone.

Given its long history, "Survivor" has been surprisingly resilient, but its greatest challenge has been avoiding staleness. Burnett and his team of strategic mad scientists have unveiled tribe shuffles, season themes like pirates and volcanoes, and most recently the division of teams, for a brief time, by gender and age — older men, older women, younger men, and younger women.

But nothing compares to this. It's not even sporting to rattle off the reasons why it's a terrible idea. Start with the fact that it smells like an attempt to "represent" everyone, and expecting five people to be representative of millions or billions is begging for trouble. Consider what happens if, for reasons unrelated to race, four of the first five people to leave are Asian? What if the final four are all black? Or all white? What do those headlines look like?

Host Jeff Probst, being interviewed about this stunt — which he unconvincingly denied was a stunt — said that the idea arose because the producers noticed that the applicants had so much "ethnic pride," so it decided to divide them on that basis. But does "ethnic pride" really mean the same thing to all people, such that we assume a contestant whose family is Korean automatically feels some special pride on behalf of someone whose family is Japanese? That is not to even consider the enormously sticky issue of whether someone whose great-grandparents are Russian is supposed to have shared "ethnic pride" with someone whose great-grandparents are Irish. It's a big jump to go from understanding that ethnic pride exists to believing it allows everyone to be divided into four teams.

"Survivor" has shown, usually in spite of itself, a talent for surprisingly adept social commentary. It has delivered sharp insights about gender politics, much more in its small moments of cajoling and strong-arming than in broad strokes like contrived "Battle Of The Sexes" scenarios. Viewed with a careful eye, it has much to say about celebrity, manipulation, groupthink, and how a game show becomes a morality play in the minds of its participants.

In fact, racial politics are nothing new. As Probst acknowledged, there has always been frustration among fans and critics that there haven't been more contestants of color, particularly ones who are strong competitors. Most stinging have been persistent accusations that the show embraces a stereotype of African-American men as lazy, a complaint that dates back to the show's first season.

So if this season is supposed to reveal something interesting, what is it meant to reveal? It may be that there will be a lot to learn that's interesting. To give just one example, it's not clear whether contestants will or won't feel any special affinity for a tribe that's composed this way. Undoubtedly, some will and some won't, and there is enormous potential for conflict between those who do and those who don't.

It could be riveting. But how much more likely is it that it will just be overwhelmingly uncomfortable to watch? "Survivor" has made its fortune on its status as a water-cooler show, both in person and on the Internet. What are those conversations going to be like? What will it mean to favor one tribe over another? Will people spend the entire season issuing disclaimers?

In a sense, this hazardous high-wire act is Burnett's genius in full flower — he knows that his American audience fears its inability to productively process and discuss race more than it fears disgusting food, isolation among strangers, or stinging jellyfish. But on the other hand, if something like this is to be a successful and meaningful social experiment, it has to be handled exactly right. Whether Burnett and "Survivor" are up to the challenge remains to be seen.

It is interesting to note, however, that "Survivor" has not chosen to cast "the Arab-American Tribe." Meanwhile, the 10th season of "The Amazing Race" will include, without a special announcement or a special season, a team of best friends who are bonded in part through their shared Islamic faith, one of whom has a request he delivers in the season's early ads: "Don't associate me with terrorists." The power of that simple sentence makes the "Survivor" casting look, by comparison, even more like an ill-advised ploy.
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Old 08-24-2006, 02:46 AM
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this is just setting us back. What the fuck is that about? A white team, a black team? Oh is segregation in again?
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Nobody with half a brain bought the "microcosm of society" bullshit this show tried to sell the very first season. I don't see how this is any different.

NBC should air an advisory just in case. Something about how the show is solely meant for the entertainment of lard-ass idiots.
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hahaah oh my god. i love survivor and all, but that's just stupid. although this one will possibly be more interesting than the last few solely because of this new way of dividing the tribes.

it'll be funny to see how people react when it first airs.
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I just want a bunch of crazy people, like Shane and Courtney from the last series. We'll have to wait and see how the race thing plays out on the show though. :/
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hahaah oh my god. i love survivor and all, but that's just stupid. although this one will possibly be more interesting than the last few solely because of this new way of dividing the tribes.

it'll be funny to see how people react when it first airs.
haha, i think it may be a little more interesting than previous survivors..
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Lame. We are boycotting this and I really just want to see Richard Hatch on prison-webcam a this point.
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at least there will be more ethnic diversity than the usual 'one black male, one black female' quota that they have employed in all the previous seasons


to find contestants i bet all they had to do was go to the 'too brown' pile of application tapes from all the previous seasons.
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Oh is segregation in again?
AI guess. Ironic racism is beginning to get serious to some idiots. Hollywood is the indicator that something's wrong with America's culture. Weird.

This is a weak attempt at "classic" tribe separation. It's probably a social comment or some shit. We have to many of those.

Anyways, I'm rooting for the whites, they're so fucking hot. White power.
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I just want a bunch of crazy people, like Shane and Courtney from the last series. We'll have to wait and see how the race thing plays out on the show though. :/
i loved/hated shane. that blackberry incident was the funniest thing i've ever seen. but i just flat out hated courtney.
i want more people like ian!! they should just put ian in every survivor series for my amusement.
oh and more people like johnny fairplay pls.
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Well the black team is gonna kill each other so there not a problem. The asian's are a small acerobatic people , they could give the whites trouble. As for the Hispanic team well that depends if there Mexi-cans or Mexi-cants.

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Well the black team is gonna kill each other so there not a problem. The asian's are a small acerobatic people , they could give the white trouble. As for the Hispanic team well that depends if there Mexi-cans or Mexi-cants.
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why does it matter how they are split up? and how is this racism? some 'politically correct' people need to go to church and just fucking stay there and burn on a crucafix or something. Id like to see a fag/normal person split, or a jews/muslim split.
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Just colours?

Where are the jews, gays and Irish? Where's the differently-abled team?
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Where are the jews, gays and Irish? Where's the differently-abled team?
I would love to see the differrntly-abled team swim to the beach from the boat.
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How are they differently-abled? Can they retract their legs into their body for easy transport or something? They're DISabled and I don't give a fuck.
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How are they differently-abled? Can they retract their legs into their body for easy transport or something? They're DISabled and I don't give a fuck.
Bloody hell. I was using the term tongue-in-cheek...

Though, if you want to get anal, if your ability is less than the vast majority, that could be considered quite "different".
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Well the black team is gonna kill each other so there not a problem. The asian's are a small acerobatic people , they could give the whites trouble. As for the Hispanic team well that depends if there Mexi-cans or Mexi-cants.
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i loved/hated shane. that blackberry incident was the funniest thing i've ever seen. but i just flat out hated courtney.
i want more people like ian!! they should just put ian in every survivor series for my amusement.
oh and more people like johnny fairplay pls.
Are you talking about the Ian who had glasses and was all skinny and dorky but totally adorable? Because if you are I wanted to marry him that season. lol

Shane with the "blackberry" was one of the funniest things ever.
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Nonono, bort, I was just remembering someone using it in a seminar and me wanting to destroy them. Ilu and all that shit.

And what the hell is this scandalous blackberry incident?
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