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Old 08-19-2006, 04:03 PM
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Go take another break and learn some more HATE.
Ironic how you're the one tell me to fuck off...

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Don't try and make me laugh fagarielina, you know as well as I what kind of spirit he possess'. He's full of bad, negative energy. I just hope for his sake he is able to reconcile with his hideous nature one day, and learn to shed his fear and be a real man full of understanding and love.
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Don't try and make me laugh fagarielina, you know as well as I what kind of spirit he possess'. He's full of bad, negative energy. I just hope for his sake he is able to reconcile with his hideous nature one day, and learn to shed his fear and be a real man full of understanding and love.
Dude there's nothing wrong with mouth to ass.

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It's not ironic, it's what your simple mindedness brings forth. From the first day I read your spiel it was evident that the only reasoning you had for being here was to stir up trouble. And no one could give it back. Well now you've met that someone.

You are not a brother to me, a person yes, but that is all. It takes a lot more than what you display to be of a quality person at that.

But my weekend is going to be filled with enjoyment instead of your spoilt agenda.
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Old 08-19-2006, 04:20 PM
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hey, throw a few frisbees for me.
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Holy fuck. Just reading this thread makes my head hurt... Why is this thread in news and politics because I don't see any news or politics here... Just nonesense.
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How about "A higher percentage of black people, in proportion, than white people, buy and eat fried chicken."

Is this racist?
If your comment is indeed based upon reliable statistics, then no, on it's own this comment would not be considered racist.

As a personal note I would love to know where someone could find these statistics with any degree of reliability

The image of black people eating fried chicken plays to traditional stereotypes. Stereotypes are often based upon general social realities.

Although many racist comments play off of stereotypes, not all stereotypes are inherently racist (read: negative). The italians who eat tomatoes, the romantic frenchman, the personable salesman, the blonde swede-- these are not racist. They are generalized, and as such are probably a bad idea to use, simply because they are not accurate. They are too vague, and to use them regularly would do the subject a disservice.

Really it all comes down to being PC. A speaker's credibility can often be questioned when he or she generalizes unless the situation deems it necessary.

Do you find eating fried chicken offensive? I for one, love it even though it bothers my stomach.
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well anything is based on reality then it just depends on what reality you find yourself.
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This thread is a little bit sneaky. There are bound to be people who come in here and cause a fuss, based on the title, without giving the post any real consideration. "Stereotypes are based in reality" would have made for a more accurate title.

Actually, what you've said so far makes sense. However, I'm trying to figure out what point you're leading up to. To say most black people eat fried chicken, if based on statistics, would be fairly acceptable to most people. To apply that to all black people (there must be some black vegetarian/health-conscious people out there) would be to stereotype. Stereotyping can occasionally be offensive but it isn't in that example. A lot of stereotypes are based on a reality of some sort, some really aren't. Some are just fun examples (take, for example, the responses I get when mentioning to people that my bf is Greek: "does he smash plates?") and others are abhorrent ("does he have AIDS*?").

Regardless of a stereotype being based in reality, whether it is acceptable to express and apply that stereotype depends entirely on the nature of the stereotype.


*This was said to me by a British guy. For the record, there is a higher incidence of HIV/AIDS in the UK population than there is in the Greek population. Making that a perfect example of how even the most plausible stereotypes can be wrong. That's why people ought to educate themselves and generally take care with what they say, lest they end up looking foolish.
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Most people eat fried chicken in general. Except for non-meat eaters and health-conscious people.
Go to any KFC anywhere. Maybe I just live in an area that has a lot of white people but if I go into a KFC I see lots of white people.
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Old 08-20-2006, 05:01 PM
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Id say its fair to generalize black people vote a certain way. but I think its less of a strategic thing to those people and more of a vote for a candidate least likely inherting a bloodline of slave owners or Nazi warlords. In that respect I voted for the first time in the same respect.

You might find in a white mans world, without having a certain race of slaves at hand, he will turn most even his own brothers into slaves. So start thanking blacks for becoming more then slaves and second class citizens.
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Now I'd like to preface this by saying that the white population of racists toward black people is a bit out of hand. Statistically.
Probably true.
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We have a history here in the US that grants a large group or "told by parents" type folks that believe black people are bad simply because they were raised that way.
Possibly.
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Rednecks.

Not all rednecks, but a few.

Notice how I said "Rednecks".

Yes... a group of people that liberals, and most of logical society, have categorized into a "group of people".
Rednecks.........what?
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Racism, now a-days, in the mainstream, is a quality or attribute, one gives to a GROUP of people based on their ancestral or skin heritage.

The problem with racism is that many people, who are considered racist, take these "group attributes", and refuse to believe that they are not in pertainance to an individual in that group.

That is the "evil" of racism.
Good definition. Good going on that section.
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Now.. my point is this....

I'll start with an example...

Black people generally vote democrat.

This is racist.

To say that black people generally vote democrat.
No it isn't, not even by your definition.
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Yet. It's true.

It's overwhelmingly true.

This is reality.

They don't vote this way because of the color of their skin.

They vote this way because of their culture.
Well, blacks may vote republican and still belong to 'black culture' but it's generally a solid arguement to say that people have a tendency to vote the way of their culture
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.. Now.. liberals.. explain to me, why reading this... well makes you mad. This thread is only to nurture and help.
Well, offhand I get the sneaky suspicion that this was another attempt at 'winning' a debate by not really having a properly coherent and cogent point that can actually be rebutted.

It also appears to be an attempt at ascribing a trait to liberals, yet doesn;t appear to be clear on what that trait is.

But mostly it's annoying becuase you claim that no one has thus far argued your point , when the poor quality and half-assedness of your OP does not merit any actual substantive response. Unfortunetly for you, you will undoubtedly take this as a sign that your point can't be rebutted and is therefore true, when it's actually an indication that your poor presentation skills have yet again failed to produce a proper posistive arguement.
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What fact? Please post again the next time you are sober.
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I can sit here and tell you that black people do a certain thing... and prove it with numbers.
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Sorry you're not a fan of the physcological nature of political and social science.

Nothin' wrong with wanting to participate only in it's remnants...But this does, in fact, make you a rube.

haha.. also.. wtf is "pseudo-philosophy"? Other than you felt it was a good word to use in discounting an idea without using any form of substance.

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You lose at being open-minded.

Bad liberal.

Bad.

No treat for you.
You know, people here would probably be a lot more willing to discuss this with you if you didn't insist that everyone who disagrees with you was somehow deficient. They might take you more seriously and regard you as something more valuable than a hectoring provocateur if you didn't try to pre-empt people's reactions in your opening posts. And they'd certainly be more willing if you didn't phrase it as if you were condoning racism.

If someone who is racist says something else is racist, the fact that they are being hypocritical doesn't excuse either count of racism. They don't "cancel out". That is all.
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If racism wasn't based in reality, it wouldnt be such a problem.
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Dude there's nothing wrong with mouth to ass.

c'mon..
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