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Old 08-22-2006, 07:13 PM
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Okay, so the authorities have a suspect! OJ is golfing daily! Children die!

Why do we get hooked on rich kids dying, yet we lack empathy for the poor kids who die of spiritual malnutrition and broken dreams?

Do you really care, or possibly, you have too much idle time on your hands--and a computer?
Every single time there is a high profile case in the news, an astonishing amount of people come out of the woodwork waggling a finger claiming the subject or the case is only getting attention because of A,B, C and what about X, Y, Z? The advent of the internet makes it very easy to pick these people and sort those I think are worth listening to (those who do raise hell or at least awareness over tragedy or controversy that few people have heard of) from the latter, who are self~righteous pills who care a lot about professing moral, ethical and all round superiority to everybody else.

What sets my teeth on edge about the latter above all is they

A) posture behind a facade of caring about other people's tragedies, and hold kids like JonBenet Ramsey and her tragedy against her and her family because it's gotten intense media visibility, always following on from there to imply it doesn't matter.

B) they seem so cock~sure in behaving as if they're being really original and above it all by 'going against the grain' when in fact they could qualify for Bore of the Solar System award for most Most Popular And Conventional Thought On Something In The News.

There's even websites or blogs with names like 'Against The Grain' where all these twits try to out-do one another in writing swaggering, macho shite about how everybody is thick for caring about things like JonBenet Ramsey and how they don't give a fuck but only they recognize that wall~to~wall publicity is at best pretty silly to behold. Whoopee.


Yeah there are people who die or are in terrible trouble but lack media visibility.
I don't know you so can I ask what you're personally doing to help them? What do you do to stop children from dying?
There are only two children in the world I help, care about and love enough to put in time, money and a tremendous expenditure of mental energy and imagination so that hopefully they may be happy more often than morose, at least in early childhood. (Anybody actively involved in raising toddlers will know how crucial this 'imagination' part can be!)
As for the rest, I don't do anything to help. I don't sponsor children through World Vision or anything because I can't even afford 'a dollar a day' and who knows? I like to think otherwise but maybe I wouldn't even if I could.

Poor kids dying of "spiritual malnutrition and broken dreams"? Sounds very condescending and presumptuous and not just towards the poor. You think
the "rich kids" are immune to suffering these things too? You're not talking about hunger and a roof over their heads, after all.
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Old 08-22-2006, 07:44 PM
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Every single time there is a high profile case in the news, an astonishing amount of people come out of the woodwork waggling a finger claiming the subject or the case is only getting attention because of A,B, C and what about X, Y, Z? The advent of the internet makes it very easy to pick these people and sort those I think are worth listening to (those who do raise hell or at least awareness over tragedy or controversy that few people have heard of) from the latter, who are self~righteous pills who care a lot about professing moral, ethical and all round superiority to everybody else.

What sets my teeth on edge about the latter above all is they

A) posture behind a facade of caring about other people's tragedies, and hold kids like JonBenet Ramsey and her tragedy against her and her family because it's gotten intense media visibility, always following on from there to imply it doesn't matter.

B) they seem so cock~sure in behaving as if they're being really original and above it all by 'going against the grain' when in fact they could qualify for Bore of the Solar System award for most Most Popular And Conventional Thought On Something In The News.

There's even websites or blogs with names like 'Against The Grain' where all these twits try to out-do one another in writing swaggering, macho shite about how everybody is thick for caring about things like JonBenet Ramsey and how they don't give a fuck but only they recognize that wall~to~wall publicity is at best pretty silly to behold. Whoopee.


Yeah there are people who die or are in terrible trouble but lack media visibility.
I don't know you so can I ask what you're personally doing to help them? What do you do to stop children from dying?
There are only two children in the world I help, care about and love enough to put in time, money and a tremendous expenditure of mental energy and imagination so that hopefully they may be happy more often than morose, at least in early childhood. (Anybody actively involved in raising toddlers will know how crucial this 'imagination' part can be!)
As for the rest, I don't do anything to help. I don't sponsor children through World Vision or anything because I can't even afford 'a dollar a day' and who knows? I like to think otherwise but maybe I wouldn't even if I could.

Poor kids dying of "spiritual malnutrition and broken dreams"? Sounds very condescending and presumptuous and not just towards the poor. You think
the "rich kids" are immune to suffering these things too? You're not talking about hunger and a roof over their heads, after all.
Sounds like a bit of truth here, hidden between the lines. Thanks for the empassioned response. I'm sure you are a caring mother who provides the love and respect a child requires, rather than the vicarious narcissistic exhibitionism that lead to such a tragedy of the Ramseys. Good creates evil, therefore, somewhere between the lines down the middle of the yellow brick road there's a lesson about how we should be raising our collective children--don't you think?

When I had the time to coach little league I always made it a positive and rewarding experience for all of the children involved. In those years my kids didn't fully understand why I didn't politic to put my kids at popular positions because I was a coach. I wanted all the kids to know that they had a chance to play because they personally put in the effort. In society mostly you have parents looking out for #1--which isn't what I call "family values". I believe the worst thing we do is place admiration on an ideal that children can never live up to. In JonBenet's case--her future was designed at age 6--nothing left for spiritual growth and/or her own dreams. As an example: I pity the rich lawyer's child (stereotype), who at age 18 already has family and social class expectations and the subsidies to fuel the effort; then more connections after graduation--all in the imaginary constructs of the merrit system.

Laws, like depictions of history, are written by the victors, for the benefit of the victor's decendants.

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Old 08-23-2006, 04:28 AM
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JonBenet was blonde and cute. Of course everyone wants to pay attention to that.
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Old 08-23-2006, 04:31 AM
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Sounds like a bit of truth here, hidden between the lines. Thanks for the empassioned response. I'm sure you are a caring mother who provides the love and respect a child requires, rather than the vicarious narcissistic exhibitionism that lead to such a tragedy of the Ramseys. Good creates evil, therefore, somewhere between the lines down the middle of the yellow brick road there's a lesson about how we should be raising our collective children--don't you think?

When I had the time to coach little league I always made it a positive and rewarding experience for all of the children involved. In those years my kids didn't fully understand why I didn't politic to put my kids at popular positions because I was a coach. I wanted all the kids to know that they had a chance to play because they personally put in the effort. In society mostly you have parents looking out for #1--which isn't what I call "family values". I believe the worst thing we do is place admiration on an ideal that children can never live up to. In JonBenet's case--her future was designed at age 6--nothing left for spiritual growth and/or her own dreams. As an example: I pity the rich lawyer's child (stereotype), who at age 18 already has family and social class expectations and the subsidies to fuel the effort; then more connections after graduation--all in the imaginary constructs of the merrit system.

Laws, like depictions of history, are written by the victors, for the benefit of the victor's decendants.
Working class kids aren't exactly free some social expectation either, are they?

And what's the point in working to earn security and goodliving for your family if you can't spoil your kids rotten? Working class parents don't not treat their kids because of some spiritual enrichment, but because they can't afford to. In fact, I'm pretty sure statistically all the classes spend roughly the same percentage of their disposable income on their children. If anything, middle class families spend less, because like you they're under a lot of pressure not to appear to be revelling in their affluence. The upper classes don't give a shit whether people think they're spoiling their kids, and the working classes can't afford to, so that moral pressure not to do so isn't there.

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Old 08-23-2006, 11:09 AM
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Old 08-23-2006, 01:49 PM
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An accumulation of wealth doesn't guarantee happiness; therefore, the aforementioned "rich kids" can easily die of "spiritual malnutrition" and unfulfilled dreams. But because they have money, we shouldn't pity any of their problems? We should instead pity someone in the same situation, just because they lack a substantial amount of money? Kind of superficial...
i agree with you. i also get angry about how some people trash talk and make fun of rich people when the rich people didn't even do anything to them. they just have to be nasty because the others are richer than them.
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