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08-16-2006, 06:56 PM
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| | | Arrest made in JonBenet Ramsey case http://edition.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/ (CNN) -- A suspect has been arrested "for the December 26, 1996, murder of JonBenet Ramsey," the district attorney in Boulder, Colorado, said Wednesday.
A law enforcement source identified the suspect as 41-year-old John Mark Karr, a one-time school teacher. He was arrested in Bangkok, Thailand, following "several months of a focused and complex investigation," District Attorney Mary Lacy said.
Two law enforcement sources told CNN that Carr also was under investigation for an unrelated sex crime.
Carr was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, CNN affiliate KUSA reported.
An investigator with the District Attorney's office is bringing Carr to Colorado from Thailand.
JonBenet's beaten and strangled body was found in the basement of the family home in Boulder, the day after Christmas in 1996. She was 6.
JonBenet's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey, were consulted during the investigation, Lacy said, and the Ramsey family had been notified of the arrest. Patsy Ramsey died in June of ovarian cancer at age 49.
"It is our hope that this arrest will bring some closure to the Ramsey family after a 10-year ordeal," said the family's attorney, Hal Haddon.
JonBenet's father, John Ramsey, released a statement after the arrest. He said that his wife knew an arrest was coming when she died.
"Had she lived to see this day, would no doubt have been as pleased as I am with today's development almost 10 years after our daughter's murder." ( Read the full statement)
Prosecutors in Boulder are expected to hold a news conference Thursday.
A grand jury investigation into the death of the child beauty pageant winner ended without charges in 1999.
The investigation focused a spotlight on the child's parents, John and Patsy Ramsey. Patsy Ramsey died in June of ovarian cancer. She was 49.
The Ramseys said an intruder committed the crime, but they remained the subject of suspicion and speculation.
In 2003 a federal judge dismissed a lawsuit against the Ramseys, blaming the police and the FBI for bungling the investigation. The Boulder County District Attorney's Office concurred with the judge's opinion the following month, saying there was little evidence against the couple
The Ramseys left Colorado and had a house in Charlevoix, Michigan, where John Ramsey unsuccessfully ran for office in 2004. | 
08-16-2006, 07:25 PM
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| | | Wow, a hell of a lot of people owe that father a big, fat appology.
Great that the guy has been caught, but too bad that the police kept saying the parents did it.
I'd sue the crap out of them. | 
08-16-2006, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by VioletPrue Wow, a hell of a lot of people owe that father a big, fat appology.
Great that the guy has been caught, but too bad that the police kept saying the parents did it.
I'd sue the crap out of them. | They arrested a guy. That doesn't mean they know who did it. It means they found enough evidence to arrest him.
Don't take the father off the burner just yet; just put him towards the back. God knows there's still a chance he did it.
No one has been convicted; he hasn't even begun his trial yet! And who knows, maybe the dad paid him.
For godssake, don't issue an apology until you know it's warranted.
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08-16-2006, 07:42 PM
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Carr was arrested Wednesday morning and has confessed to certain elements of the crime that are unknown to the general public, CNN affiliate KUSA reported.
| Sure, he's an innocent peach.
I don't believe for a second this father killed his child. | 
08-16-2006, 08:14 PM
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| | | When they ran this Karr guys dna in an unrelated crime his dna came up as a match for the Ramsey crime. That is how they nabbed him. | 
08-16-2006, 10:25 PM
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| | | I know it's really easy to say this now, but I never believed the poor little thing was killed by her parents. Along with most people, I found the footage of JonBenet dressed up and wearing make~up at child "beauty pageants" unsettling, but the press often made it sound like she was dressed up that way all the time. I'm fairly certain that it (her appearance at the "beauty pageants") would have been the exception, not the rule, but her parents copped so much unfair and unnecessary flack for it over the years ...
Tragic that her mother died before this happened. Assuming the guy is guilty, of course. | 
08-16-2006, 10:52 PM
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| | | why do people post out of emotion instead of fact? the way she was killed was not consistent with parental involvement. the method, where her body was found, the way her body was found, they weren't consistent with murder perputrated by parents/family and that was established years ago. do some research before you become kitchen table forensic scientists ffs. | 
08-17-2006, 12:22 AM
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| | | Was quite a shock that they caught someone after all these years. But happy news, none the less. Go teh police! | 
08-17-2006, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetheart_d why do people post out of emotion instead of fact? the way she was killed was not consistent with parental involvement. the method, where her body was found, the way her body was found, they weren't consistent with murder perputrated by parents/family and that was established years ago. do some research before you become kitchen table forensic scientists ffs. |
yes. i commented once on the hysteria brought into this forum by uninformed idiots (i'm assuming over-zealous college GIRLS trying hard to "make a point" or "be smart" on a public forum) and how hard it made it to even read most of the threads in this forum. OH WELL. | 
08-17-2006, 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetheart_d why do people post out of emotion instead of fact? the way she was killed was not consistent with parental involvement. the method, where her body was found, the way her body was found, they weren't consistent with murder perputrated by parents/family and that was established years ago. do some research before you become kitchen table forensic scientists ffs. | Agreed. None of us know what really happened, so there's no need to speculate. Especially when there is human wreckage involved.
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08-17-2006, 12:43 AM
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Originally Posted by bort Was quite a shock that they caught someone after all these years. But happy news, none the less. Go teh police! | I think that it was only a matter of time.
Many believed that JonBenet was killed by a repeat sex offender.
Look at Mia Zapata's killer. Her case was cold for a decade, until her killer was arrested in the Keys (string of islands southeast of the tip of Florida) and his DNA was entered into the national database. His DNA was a match to that found on Mia's body.
Eleven years later, he was sentenced to ten years longer than the sentencing guidelines (36 years) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...zapata01m.html
According to John Ramsey's statement, his wife knew of this new evidence and that a possible arrest was imminent. I truly hope that she will rest in peace.
While DNA may exonerate many ( http://www.innocenceproject.org/), I hope that it serves to solve cold cases.
I worked on the appellate response to a rape case in which one of the defendants in the case, despite his defense counsel advising him NOT to take the stand, testified that "all sperm/semen [his words: cum] looks the same" so that no jury could find him guilty.
If JonBenet's killer has been arrested, I feel for the Ramsey family.
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08-17-2006, 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by sweetheart_d why do people post out of emotion instead of fact? the way she was killed was not consistent with parental involvement. the method, where her body was found, the way her body was found, they weren't consistent with murder perputrated by parents/family and that was established years ago. do some research before you become kitchen table forensic scientists ffs. | Err, who is this directed at? I wasn't "posting out of emotion". I said I did not believe it was her parents, without explaining or going into much detail as to how or why I came to that conclusion, which wasn't really a conclusion but a belief, based to some small degree on what you're saying.
Having said that, what research are you talking about? (For the record, I've read one book on this case and at least one alleged "expert" said the method and the way she was found WAS consistent with the killer being a parent/family member. I took it with a heavy grain of salt, since at the time nobody, "expert" or otherwise, appeared to have a clue who the killer was and the entire book was pretty much idle conjecture.)
As I said, for multiple reasons I've never believed it had anything to do with her parents, but I can't for the life of me see how "the method, where her body was found, the way her body was found" is inconsistent with murder perpetuated by parents/family. It certainly never sounded entirely inconsistent. Not on the face of things, at least.
Remember, the case was initially treated as a kidnapping. It's extremely unusual for a kidnap victim (dead or alive) to be discovered in her own home. Even though her father found her body, which is obviously not indicative of a man with something to hide (a murdered daughter), you can't really blame the police for their initial suspicion. It was and still is a bizarre case. It sounds to me like the cops got tunnel vision over it, with disastrous results. (If the guy is guilty, how many other children have been sexually abused by him in the past 10 years?)
I would presume that if the killer wasn't a family member or close associate (invited to stay the night, perhaps, with an excuse for being there), they'd have been far more likely to abduct, rape and kill a child some-where, any-where, other than in her own home, with her parents and brother present and sleeping upstairs. He could have been interrupted and caught at any time.
Yet this killer not only did what he did to the poor child, he allegedly hung around the house long enough to find a note~book belonging to Patsy Ramsey, whereupon he wrote that long, bizarre ransom note ~ surely pretty unusual (not to mention audacious) behaviour when the perpetrator is a random intruder.
Moreover the vast majority of (known) child abuse ~ ranging from sexual abuse to murder ~ is perpetuated by a parent, family member or close family associate. You very seldom hear of a child rapist/murderer who uses an MO like this. I suspect that this killer's MO is a statistical anomaly, not the "norm".
Truth, as always, is stranger than fiction.
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08-17-2006, 01:21 AM
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| | | I'm happy about this news because I believed her parents did it due to the media way back in the day but then new information came up which I probed further and found that the parents were unjustly persecuted.
Can anyone imagine being labelled murderers of their own daughter and how that would affect your mental and physical being??
The media, the police owes them a big apology. | 
08-17-2006, 01:29 AM
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| | | so what i'm wondering is, how did this guy know JonBenet? was he one of the 'workers' in her home, a teacher of hers, or was it a random crime? | 
08-17-2006, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by orchestral so what i'm wondering is, how did this guy know JonBenet? was he one of the 'workers' in her home, a teacher of hers, or was it a random crime? | I'd like to know that as well! I'm sure he probably stalked her at dance classes or something  | 
08-17-2006, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Katgrrl I'd like to know that as well! I'm sure he probably stalked her at dance classes or something  | Teacher.
Evil (people of the lie) lurks in positions of authority: teachers, priests, police, church, administrators, counselors, politicians, lawyers, etc. | 
08-17-2006, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin Teacher.
Evil (people of the lie) lurks in positions of authority: teachers, priests, police, church, administrators, counselors, politicians, lawyers, etc. | I'll get you | 
08-17-2006, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin Teacher.
Evil (people of the lie) lurks in positions of authority: teachers, priests, police, church, administrators, counselors, politicians, lawyers, etc. | I know! Not all of them ofcourse, but coincidently the 3 out of 6 schools I've been to have had teacher rapist there. Some teachers have careers and others have sick obsessions. | 
08-17-2006, 02:00 AM
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| | | the father could have paid him
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08-17-2006, 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by orchestral so what i'm wondering is, how did this guy know JonBenet? was he one of the 'workers' in her home, a teacher of hers, or was it a random crime? | If the theory presented here and the opinion of a former FBI criminal profiler are correct, she knew him: http://www.crimelibrary.com/notoriou...msey/it_5.html
Of course, now "we" are not working with the merely theoretical and I guess will find out soon enough. Yay! | |