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08-10-2006, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny gamer The average U.S. liberal right now is what I'd call a soft Zionist, unfortunately. Whose historical perspective ranges from "well, they shouldn't have kidnapped those soldiers! You can't expect Israel to do NOTHING in response, can you?!" to "they're both acting wrong. They should both stop. (But Israel aren't terrorists, Hezbollah are.)" |
I think I'm beginning to understand why liberals are so easily dismissed by the right in your country. They clearly are dumb. I'd have thought the origins of the West Bank situation were fairly obvious and common knowledge after well over sixty years. I mean, pick up a book, or just ask someone who was around, for fuck's sake! |
08-10-2006, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by bunny gamer Nope. Never read Marx, either. I've read a bunch of philosophy, but it's such a peevish experience for me. Just don't see the point. Some people I met the other day want me to join a Trotsky study group this Wednesday but I feel pretty certain I'll be annoyed out of my mind. I'm going anyway since I like being annoyed out of my mind.
I was radicalized by intense racism in my junior high school. I'm a pretty firm believer that everything's just really fucked up and wrong and we can change it. I wouldn't really say I'm pro-labor necessarily, just anti Big Corporate Bloodmoney Assholes. | Marx basically believes that everything isn't "fucked up"; that's our entire society is organised so that those at the top of the capitalist pile can get as much out of those at the bottom as possible, ideally without them knowing about it. This stuff is fairly self-evident and not really open to dispute. The problem comes from the fact that Marx thought people would be able to do something about it. It's like he's relentlessly bleak and cynical and gets it right most of the time, but then gets all optimistic and hopeful and it all goes horribly wrong.  |
08-10-2006, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Ophiel Ophiuci I think I'm beginning to understand why liberals are so easily dismissed by the right in your country. They clearly are dumb. I'd have thought the origins of the West Bank situation were fairly obvious and common knowledge after well over sixty years. I mean, pick up a book, or just ask someone who was around, for fuck's sake! | Pick up a book???
What book about this subject would meet with leftist approval?
Oh wait, of course, any book that bashes Israel. 
Critical thinking among the left is severely limited.  |
08-10-2006, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Ophiel Ophiuci I think I'm beginning to understand why liberals are so easily dismissed by the right in your country. They clearly are dumb. I'd have thought the origins of the West Bank situation were fairly obvious and common knowledge after well over sixty years. I mean, pick up a book, or just ask someone who was around, for fuck's sake! | I'm really happy because a lot of the information I've picked up is being passed on to my friends. An old Jewish, Israeli-sympathizing pal of mine whose brother studies in Tel Aviv just spoke out against the war on his blog, and a lot of his friends look to him as a source of info on that situation. Makes me feel like my efforts to spread more info on the history of Israel-Palestine have been worthwhile.
I agree with those who have said this is only the end of the beginning of what will happen in the Middle East. |
08-10-2006, 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Gold~Lion They misspelled "Hezbollah." They spelled it with an "i." Really takes away from their credibility, to me. | Dear God. |
08-11-2006, 01:09 PM
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| | | Aw. Soooomeone neeeeds some atteeeen-tion!
You always post so abjectly, book bbq. It makes me want to fuss your hair. |
08-13-2006, 12:29 AM
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| | | I hate George Galloway, how blatant is it that he's been going through the PR mill afer Big Brother to save his reputation. (Just look at his new glasses). He's a selfpromoting egocentric who is blatantly corrupt and employs huge double standards. And when did he start sounding Jamaican? |
08-13-2006, 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by raskal I hate George Galloway, how blatant is it that he's been going through the PR mill afer Big Brother to save his reputation. (Just look at his new glasses). He's a selfpromoting egocentric who is blatantly corrupt and employs huge double standards. And when did he start sounding Jamaican? | I wouldn't accuse him of being corrupt. He's launched numerous libel suits - and won every single one of them. |
08-13-2006, 09:13 AM
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| | | Israel is occupying Lebanon and is building settlements in Palestine.
If some country occupied part of the USA and built settlements, wouldn't Americans be pissed ?
What part of the puzzle am I missing ? |
08-13-2006, 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by google Israel is occupying Lebanon and is building settlements in Palestine.
If some country occupied part of the USA and built settlements, wouldn't Americans be pissed ?
What part of the puzzle am I missing ? | Gee google, not only are you missing parts of the puzzle, you haven't even opened the box. 
Have you been a sleep the last two months?  |
08-13-2006, 10:45 PM
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| | | Does anyone have a better answer ? |
08-14-2006, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by google Does anyone have a better answer ? | Well how about this?
What if terrorists are firing rockets from Windsor, Ontario into Detroit, Michigan?
Now lets say they're firing these rockets from residential areas, from schools, churches. Now lets say the Canadian government either can't or won't do anything to stop them. What do expect the United States to do? Just take it?
You can forget that noise! You better believe the US will be firing back.
Of course the US will drop leaflets telling your fellow hosers to get out and if they do, cases of Molson will be waiting for them when they return.
Good deal, eh? |
08-14-2006, 10:07 PM
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| | | How many decades had America illegally occupied Windsor by this time ? |
08-15-2006, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by google How many decades had America illegally occupied Windsor by this time ? | About the same amount of time the terrorist groups remained in Windsor even though they agreed decades earlier to leave. | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode | 
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