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08-01-2006, 05:45 PM
|  | I'm Not Ready To Make | | Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New York (home) / Oklahoma (current residence)
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Originally Posted by herekitty 13-15 million cats and dogs are put to death in the US every year. http://www.penmarric.ns.ca/catcare/common/speuter.htm
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Yes, having your face smashed in is much more cruel, but I don't think the US is really a place where animals are treated so wonderfully as many US citizens like to think. And this doesn't even begin to cover the animals raised for food on factory farms. | I have to agree here. There are a lot of shelters that are trying to (and are) changing their status to "no kill" here. The Humane Society doesn't kill animals (unless they're unadoptable) and they keep them until they're adopted out - however there is one sick Humane Society in this country that I can't stand (at times). In Miami-Dade, they've made it illegal to own a pitbull (which is absolutely horsecrap) and if you're reported to have a pitbull they cease the dog and put it to sleep. Only rarely do I hear that they try to find another county who will adopt them out.
Yes, I'm a regular Animal Planet "Animal Cops" junky and Miami's is the one that really pisses me off.
Onward though, the way they kill the animals in the shelters here is digusting. The "humanely euthanized" term refers to put a bunch of a dogs together in a big room and gassing them to death (anyone else remembering the Holocaust here?). Now not all shelters use this technique, but most do and the animals are generally only given 3 days to find a new owner and then they're put to sleep. There aren't advertisements for these animals, it's just on a chance basis that someone thinks to come to them to adopt an animal. The Humane Society and the shelters are two separate organizations. Unfortunately while the Humane Society tries really hard, they can only take in so much and therefore the overflow goes to the shelters and those animals are poorly treated and killed. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Hello Kitty Kat I didn't think that everything was going to be taken so seriously and people would nit pick at everything I said like I was being graded. I will try to make myself clearer so it doesn't turn into a debate and the focus doesn't get taken away from the poor dogs who died in China. | To be fair to you people do jump to conclusions quickly - however to be honest, you're in a political forum and everything that is said in these forums are scrutinized with the utmost political eye. It's annoying but you have to make sure you're precise with your wording if you want people to understand what you mean. Quote: |
Originally Posted by Ojo Rojo I have yet to see an emo jellyfish. | You're not looking hard enough.  | 
08-01-2006, 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by lululauren Yes, I'm a regular Animal Planet "Animal Cops" junky and Miami's is the one that really pisses me off. | My roommate watches that. I can't; it's really too sad/disgusting. Quote: |
Originally Posted by lululauren To be fair to you people do jump to conclusions quickly - however to be honest, you're in a political forum and everything that is said in these forums are scrutinized with the utmost political eye. It's annoying but you have to make sure you're precise with your wording if you want people to understand what you mean.  | Yes, and to be honest, once a topic of this sort comes up, I always get defensive and jump to conclusions because I've seen it over and over again. People choose to notice the gross stories of animal (And human) abuse outside of their realm of influence because it's much easier to sit back and criticize other cultures for their abuses. People do this for a number of reasons; for one thing, it gives you a sense of having some higher moral ground. For another, it requires you to do nothing; whereas noticing abuses in your own culture might force you to actually get up and do something. Also, when people do this shit, they're just reinforcing the racism they have culturally inherited whether they're aware of it or not. I'm not immune to doing this sort of thing, I just question motivations more often than some people.
Also, I'm biased on animal issues because I don't eat them. To me, this thing you find outrageous in another country is exactly the same thing that goes on in factory farms in this country, yet I imagine you (hello kitty kat) eat meat. Why is it that it's not ok to do this to dogs, but it's ok to do it to the animals who will end up on your plate? | 
08-01-2006, 08:23 PM
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08-02-2006, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Hello Kitty Kat I guess not, mind doing a report on it for me? At least we don't club them to death. That is a cruel death. I'd rather be put to sleep than have my face smashed in. At least being put to sleep is civil. | That depends. Pet cruelty is so widespread it is apalling.
I live in the US and I once had a neighbor poison one of my dogs because it was barking at night "keeping them awake".
The bad part is that the local animal shelter was secretly telling people in our community that it was ok to poison (amongst other things) dogs and cats due to "overpopulation" and this was later uncovered, but that doesn't stop the owners or others from doing these things.
Also think of all the pets every year, stranded or left beside the road...cars run over and hit dogs and cats, often times without even stopping to check on it. (also a sad personal experience, witnessed a cat get run over and nobody cared and it was run over multiple times by people who could've stopped)
The whole fucking world is awful. | 
08-02-2006, 02:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Hello Kitty Kat I guess not, mind doing a report on it for me? At least we don't club them to death. That is a cruel death. I'd rather be put to sleep than have my face smashed in. At least being put to sleep is civil. | Obviously, quite a few people DO because there are anti-cruelty organisations. Think.
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08-02-2006, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Manhattan Obviously, quite a few people DO because there are anti-cruelty organisations. Think. | What are you talking about here? The US doesn't get together to decide to mass kill dogs by clubbing like that article about China. YOU think. | 
08-02-2006, 09:28 AM
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Originally Posted by herekitty Also, I'm biased on animal issues because I don't eat them. To me, this thing you find outrageous in another country is exactly the same thing that goes on in factory farms in this country, yet I imagine you (hello kitty kat) eat meat. Why is it that it's not ok to do this to dogs, but it's ok to do it to the animals who will end up on your plate? | Ooh, I'm a veggie too. I actually read a quote in a magazine the other day from Shania Twain (who is also apparently a vegetarian) and she said that she doesn't feed her children meat because for her to say "Don't kick the cow, but you can't eat it" doesn't make any sense. I agree. I'm not against people who eat meat, but I think that there are so many alternate options that not only taste GOOD, but taste like meat too that people refuse to try. It's sad.
Long story short, I agree with you.  | 
08-03-2006, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Hello Kitty Kat What are you talking about here? The US doesn't get together to decide to mass kill dogs by clubbing like that article about China. YOU think. | I didn't say they did, but you have to admit that there are thousands out there who abuse their animals to some degree. The USA aren't the opposite on the meter.
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08-03-2006, 01:16 PM
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08-03-2006, 01:43 PM
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| | | I was just wondering how many dogs fought back. I mean, one of those dogs in the picture could rip your arm clean off if they wanted to.
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08-03-2006, 02:00 PM
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| | I hope they all did. I wish they would have killed someone or at least hurt someone or several people badly.  | 
08-03-2006, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Ojo Rojo I have yet to see an emo jellyfish. |  | 
08-03-2006, 06:13 PM
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| | | That is gorgeous and disturbing at exactly the same time.
I hope I get my eyes gouged out by the Devendra Banhart peacock.
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08-03-2006, 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Manhattan That is gorgeous and disturbing at exactly the same time.
I hope I get my eyes gouged out by the Devendra Banhart peacock. | peacock shmeacock, could devandra hold a pencil in his forehead wrinkle? | 
08-03-2006, 06:45 PM
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| | | No, but he could stick it in his third eye.
UNIKRON!
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08-03-2006, 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Fury | that is so beautiful. you've done it again.
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