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Old 07-19-2006, 06:00 PM
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Angry Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised

WASHINGTON - President Bush cast the first veto of his 5 1/2-year presidency Wednesday, saying legislation easing limits on federal funding for embryonic stem cell research "crosses a moral boundary" and is wrong.

"This bill would support the taking of innocent human life in the hope of finding medical benefits for others," Bush said at a White House event where he was surrounded by 18 families who "adopted" frozen embryos not used by other couples, and then used those leftover embryos to have children.

"Each of these children was still adopted while still an embryo and has been blessed with a chance to grow, to grow up in a loving family. These boys and girls are not spare parts," he said.

The veto came a day after the Senate defied Bush and approved the legislation, 63-37, four votes short of the two-thirds margin needed to override. White House officials and Republican congressional leaders claimed it was unlikely that Congress could override the veto.

Bush's support was the strongest in the House, which was expected to take up the veto as early as later Wednesday.

"We will go back and sustain his veto this afternoon," veto supporter Rep. Joe Pitts, R-Pa., told reporters at the White House after the event. "We had 52 votes to spare when it passed and I predict the House will sustain that veto."

Bush has supported federally funded research on only those stem cell lines created before Aug. 9, 2001, the date of his speech to the nation on the subject.

The president vetoed the measure shortly after it came to his desk. His position was politically popular among conservative Republicans, and it was sure to be an issue in the midterm congressional elections.

Announcing the veto, Bush was surrounded in the East Room by so-called "snowflake" families, those with children born through embryo donation.

"They remind us of what is lost when embryos are destroyed in the name of research. The remind us that we all begin our lives as a small collection of cells. And they remind us that in our zeal for new treatments and cures, America must never abandon our fundamental morals," Bush said.

He said the bill would have crossed a line and "once crossed, we would find it impossible to turn back."

At the same time, Bush announced he had signed another bill, passed unanimously in the House and Senate, that would pre-emptively ban "fetal farming," the prospect of raising and aborting fetuses for scientific research.

Moments after Bush spoke, the vetoed legislation was returned to Congress.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., was quick to criticize the president's veto.

"I am pro-life, but I disagree with the president's decision to veto the Stem Cell Research Enhancement Act," said Frist. "Given the potential of this research and the limitations of the existing lines eligible for federally funded research, I think additional lines should be made available."

Said Bush: "As science brings us every closer to unlocking the secrets of human biology, it also offers temptations to manipulate human life and violate human dignity. Our conscience in history as a nation demand that we resist this temptation.

"America was founded on the principle that we are all created equal and endowed by our creator with the right to life," he added. "We can advance the cause of science while upholding this founding promise. We can harness the promise of technology without becoming slaves to technology. And we can ensure that science serves the cause of humanity, instead of the other way around."

Pleadings from celebrities, a former first lady and fellow Republicans had failed to t move Bush. He acted after two days of often wrenching emotional debate in Congress, punctuated by stories of personal and family suffering, that had cast lawmakers into the intersection of politics, morality and science.

Strong majorities in the House and Senate joined sentiments with most Americans in passing the bill, which would have lifted restriction currently limiting federally funded research to stem cell lines created before Aug. 9, 2001.

"I expect that the House will sustain the president's veto," said House Majority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, said in advance of Bush's action.

Disappointed lawmakers said they intended to keep pushing to lift the restrictions.

Sen. Orrin Hatch (news, bio, voting record), R-Utah said in advance that the veto "sets back embryonic stem cell research another year or so."

The Senate voted 63-37 on Tuesday, four votes short of the two-thirds majority that would be needed to override a veto. The House last year fell 50 votes short of a veto-proof margin when it passed the same bill, 238-194.

Bush had made 141 veto threats during his time in office, and the Republicans controlling Congress typically respond by changing bills to his liking.

Bush's stand against stem cells is popular among conservative Republicans that the party will rely on in the congressional elections this fall. Those opponents are the same voters who have felt alienated by Bush's actions to increase legal immigration, and the veto could bring them back into the fold.

Although many in the religious right are passionately opposed to embryonic stem cell research, most Americans support it, and Bush risks alienating that majority in the critical midterm year.

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No big surprise. The retard made good on his promise. It's also no surprise he's the worst president in our history. Can you imagine even Richard Nixon placing foolish religious convictions above the health of American citizens?
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No big surprise. The retard made good on his promise. It's also no surprise he's the worst president in our history. Can you imagine even Richard Nixon placing foolish religious convictions above the health of American citizens?

ill bet you a goose that lays golden eggs that bush himself would travel to another country to benefit from stem cell research if he ever had a disease only cured by that research.

this country AGAIN is further divided into category of rich and poor. only those who can afford a medical vacation to europe will be able to live.
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ill bet you a goose that lays golden eggs that bush himself would travel to another country to benefit from stem cell research if he ever had a disease only cured by that research.

this country AGAIN is further divided into category of rich and poor. only those who can afford a medical vacation to europe will be able to live.

stem cell research is done from desposed fetuses ones that are just thrown away. they dont even have to be past the first trimester. but he catters to those who plan to make a womans civil rights illegal.

Its hard to tell hes looking out for innocent life but I guess to some the anti abortion stance is like a badge of innocense. that way you can send your soldiers off to bruise the guilty.
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this is just bloody ridiculous.

why are we letting people die [as a result] to save cells, even if they do have the potential to be people.

if the majority of americans support the research then bush isn't doing this because of the country's principles, he's letting his own morality and religion dictate his choice.

and yeah, i'm sure he'd be all for it if he were sick and another country had found some sort of cure through stem cell research.
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Lemme see if I got this straight. Eggs are people, but sperm isn't people. Soylent Green is definitely people, because Charlton Heston says so - He played Moses in a movie, so he's an authority on what is people. Swallowing counts as abortion, as does shooting it into a towel. Especially if you got the towel free from Planned Parenthood by trading in your "Abortion Miles." Pre-cum is 3/5 of a person, kinda like slaves. God hates condoms, though he created the rubber trees that latex is extracted from. A cell may or may not be people. The character Cell from Dragonball Z was an android. He killed Trunks. Conception begins when I get a boner? Is there any ass-play involved in this? What about the Bolsheviks? What does it all mean?

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i'm not a bush fan, but i'm happy he did it.

i really think we should put other things first. war? lets finish that up. education? how about we fund it properly for once. health care? yep, lets get that going for everyone. social security? people are relying on it.. so it better not flake out for future generations. immigration? are we ever going to finish dealing with that issue?

once we've accomplished that, then let's go for stem cells.

and i hate the CIRM (california institue of regenerative medicine), and think it's the most gigantic waste of money and time. the way it's funded and set up is pathetic, and totally made for the benefit of big biotech companies. and sorry, but it's sucking up money that should go to more important things.

let's get shit right with the people who are alive now, and THEN deal with cures for future generations.

and, really, the world is overpopulated. i personally think cancer, parkinsons, birth defects, are a natural population controll. we're already disease ridden, and overpopulation is right around the corner. if we cure a bunch of diseases, EXTRMEME overpopulation is right around the corner, yeah it's harsh, but it's reality.
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this country AGAIN is further divided into category of rich and poor. only those who can afford a medical vacation to europe will be able to live.
on the other hand, you get the good teeth.

your president is a retard. and orchestral: merely lifting restrictions doth not a spending priority make.
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and, really, the world is overpopulated. i personally think cancer, parkinsons, birth defects, are a natural population controll. we're already disease ridden, and overpopulation is right around the corner. if we cure a bunch of diseases, EXTRMEME overpopulation is right around the corner, yeah it's harsh, but it's reality.
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i'd rather people not have to live their entire lives in agony than the census numbers be a couple of thousand over the limit.
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on the other hand, you get the good teeth.

your president is a retard. and orchestral: merely lifting restrictions doth not a spending priority make.
oh yeah sure, if you can afford dental insurance you get good teeth

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and, really, the world is overpopulated. i personally think cancer, parkinsons, birth defects, are a natural population controll. we're already disease ridden, and overpopulation is right around the corner. if we cure a bunch of diseases, EXTRMEME overpopulation is right around the corner, yeah it's harsh, but it's reality.

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i'm not a bush fan, but i'm happy he did it.

i really think we should put other things first. war? lets finish that up. education? how about we fund it properly for once. health care? yep, lets get that going for everyone. social security? people are relying on it.. so it better not flake out for future generations. immigration? are we ever going to finish dealing with that issue?

once we've accomplished that, then let's go for stem cells.

and i hate the CIRM (california institue of regenerative medicine), and think it's the most gigantic waste of money and time. the way it's funded and set up is pathetic, and totally made for the benefit of big biotech companies. and sorry, but it's sucking up money that should go to more important things.

let's get shit right with the people who are alive now, and THEN deal with cures for future generations.

and, really, the world is overpopulated. i personally think cancer, parkinsons, birth defects, are a natural population controll. we're already disease ridden, and overpopulation is right around the corner. if we cure a bunch of diseases, EXTRMEME overpopulation is right around the corner, yeah it's harsh, but it's reality.

You rather fund war? What are you an anti abortionists?
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i'm not a bush fan, but i'm happy he did it.

i really think we should put other things first. war? lets finish that up. education? how about we fund it properly for once. health care? yep, lets get that going for everyone. social security? people are relying on it.. so it better not flake out for future generations. immigration? are we ever going to finish dealing with that issue?
What makes you think that he's going to devote any more time or money to any of those causes (except war of course) just because he vetoed this? He wasn't doing this for practical reasons.
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ill bet you a goose that lays golden eggs that bush himself would travel to another country to benefit from stem cell research if he ever had a disease only cured by that research.

this country AGAIN is further divided into category of rich and poor. only those who can afford a medical vacation to europe will be able to live.

Yeah, but stem cell reserach wouldn't do anything to close the gap. Either way, only the rich will reap the health benefits.


I'm too stupidly tired to think. How does this effect the stem cell research in California and the billions put aside for it? Is it on or off now?
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Yeah, but stem cell reserach wouldn't do anything to close the gap. Either way, only the rich will reap the health benefits.


I'm too stupidly tired to think. How does this effect the stem cell research in California and the billions put aside for it? Is it on or off now?
It shouldn't effect what the states do.
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It shouldn't effect what the states do.
Yeah, I realized that while watching The Daily Show (god forbid I read an actual news article) and then I felt sort of dumb.
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