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Old 07-19-2006, 01:33 AM
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American government...quit thinking about money for once!

Americans wishing to evacuate have to sign a promise note to the government that they will pay the government back??

This place has become too dehumanized. How many times have the American government ordered troops to step in and rescue others without a fee?

This is ridiculous!


http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/...ion/index.html


BEIRUT, Lebanon (CNN) -- The Bush administration is waiving the requirement that Americans have to pay or reimburse the government for being evacuated from Lebanon, aides to two senators said.

The announcement came after stranded Americans, along with politicians and their families back home, expressed anger with the situation.

Some complained about the process and what they saw as the slow pace at which the State Department is evacuating Americans from Lebanon. Others were outraged that the evacuees were going to have to pay for the ride.

State Department spokesman Sean McCormack said the government would have charged evacuees commercial rates to take them out by plane or boat.

Maura Harty, assistant secretary of state for consular affairs, said that a 1956 law requires that the State Department be reimbursed. She added that Americans unable to pay could sign a voucher to reimburse the government.

"No U.S. citizen will not be boarded because they left their checkbook or credit card at home," Harty said. "I need to get people out of harm's way first, and that's what we're going to do."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi criticized the billing policy, accusing the government of "quibbling over payment" rather than finding the most expeditious means of getting Americans out of harm's way.

"A nation that can provide more than $300 billion for a war in Iraq can provide the money to get its people out of Lebanon," the California Democrat said in a statement earlier Tuesday.

Fellow Democrat, Sen. Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, said: "We must not abandon American citizens in a war zone. Our government should be focusing on the fastest, safest way to get Americans home, not how much to bill them once they get there." She had said she would introduce legislation to get the fees waived.

But on Tuesday night Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice addressed the billing issue, telling Sen. John Sununu that she was waiving the requirement, Sununu's office said. The New Hampshire Republican is of Lebanese descent and had joined Pelosi and Stabenow in lambasting the fee.

Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist of Tennessee was notified of the decision as well, said his spokeswoman Amy Call.

By early Tuesday evening, the State Department had helped about 350 Americans flee the Lebanon. Others had found their own way out, so it was difficult to determine how many of the estimated 25,000 Americans there remained, the State Department's Harty said.

Americans will be taken to the Mediterranean island of Cyprus, about 100 miles northwest of Lebanon.

The State Department has arranged for six CH-53 Sea Stallion helicopters, which collectively can ferry about 300 passengers a day, and two commercial cruise ships, which can carry about 2,200 total passengers, to help in the evacuation effort. (Watch American children in helmets flee Beirut -- 2:19)

The helicopters are reserved primarily for medical emergencies and were used Tuesday to airlift about 60 of the most vulnerable people from the U.S. Embassy in Beirut, the embassy said.

The cruise ships, one of which already was docked in Beirut on Tuesday night, will depart for Cyprus on Wednesday, Harty said. The State Department has said the U.S. military will escort the ships.

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Several of the Americans in Lebanon wrote e-mails to CNN, expressing their frustration with the evacuation process.

"We are desperately trying to evacuate and have become more and more disappointed and angry with the way the evacuation is being handled," said Lina Fleihan, of Greensboro, North Carolina. "We hear more about what's going on from CNN than we do from the U.S. government and the American Embassy here."

Natalie Kerlakian of Denver, Colorado, wrote that she had not heard from the embassy in a week.

"I hope this response will be better than that of Katrina," she wrote, referring to the heavily criticized government response to the hurricane that struck the Gulf Coast in August.

Susan Omar, of Clifton, New Jersey, wrote that she has family stuck in the southern Lebanese city of Maryajoun, and her phone calls to various governments' offices have been fruitless.

"We have begged and pleaded with anyone and everyone, but our kids still don't have water, food or medicine," she wrote. "The media is telling everyone that those with medical necessity have already been evacuated. I guess that only means those lucky enough to be near Beirut!"

Kellee Khalil of Los Angeles, California, wrote that she was trapped in Lebanon while vacationing with her father, who has diabetes and a heart condition.

"The embassy has not put him on a priority list," she wrote. "It has been several days of airstrikes and the United States seems to care little about the 25,000 Americans that are trapped here."

However, the U.S. State Department has warned Americans against traveling in Lebanon for the past several years. The Web site for the U.S. Embassy in Beirut reminds travelers "that the U.S. government does not provide no-cost transportation but does have the authority to provide repatriation loans to those in financial need."

The embassy issued a statement Tuesday saying that Americans were being contacted about departing Lebanon via sea and air. The statement added that Americans should not move until contacted by the embassy staff.

"Those who wish to leave should ready themselves immediately," it said.

The U.S. military does not charge for evacuations. Nor do the governments of France, Ireland, Britain and Italy, which already have ferried hundreds of their citizens out of Lebanon.

Help on the way
In addition to the warships and helicopters, nine U.S. Navy ships have arrived in Lebanon to help with the evacuations, as well as ships from the Spain, Italy and Britain, said Brig. Gen. Mike Barbero. The Pentagon said Tuesday that the destroyer USS Gonzales will escort one of the cruise ships.

"These operations are taking place in a war zone," Barbero said. "They involve passage through a strict blockade and are limited by the capacity of the ports and the degraded infrastructure in Lebanon."

Many Americans were already aboard one of the cruise ships Tuesday, said Nicholas Burns, U.S. undersecretary of state for political affairs.

Video footage from the U.S. Defense Department also showed women and children boarding a military helicopter on what appeared to be a building's rooftop.

More than 100 Europeans and Americans joined at least 800 French citizens on one of the few vessels to arrive in Lebanon to carry evacuees to Cyprus. From there, people were flying to their home countries.

The ferry docked Tuesday in the Cypriot port of Larnaca and is to return to Beirut on Wednesday and again later in the week to evacuate others if the French military deems it safe, the French Foreign Ministry said.

Burns called the evacuation effort well-conceived and methodical.

"People go out when they want to go out," he said. "We have an open line to all American citizens. We're in touch with them by Web site. Those Americans who wish to leave will obviously go out. Those who are in critical need of leaving over the weekend have left through the air bridge."
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Old 07-19-2006, 01:50 AM
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This was nearly another disaster for the Bush administration.
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Old 07-19-2006, 02:02 AM
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This was nearly another disaster for the Bush administration.
Why do you say "nearly"? It's not over yet. (Though it seems no amount of disasters seems to qualify him for the kind of treatment that Clinton got for a little oral pleasure.)
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Clinton got grief because he perjured himself to a grand jury. Had Bush done that, blowjob or not, you would be clamoring for his impeachment.

Bush is getting grief because the left despises him.
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Old 07-19-2006, 02:12 AM
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Clinton got grief because he perjured himself to a grand jury. Had Bush done that, blowjob or not, you would be clamoring for his impeachment.

Bush is getting grief because the left despises him.
Give me a fucking break. The only reason Bush hasn't had the chance to lie to a grand jury yet is because his administration blocks every investigation that even gets close to implicating him, no small feat considering how many there are.
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<<Bush is getting grief because the left despises him.>>

you think it's only the "left"??
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Old 07-19-2006, 02:27 AM
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You can stop right there. He doesn't do much thinking, he's mostly just a standard Michigan Militia type reactionary.
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Bush is getting grief because the left despises him.
Bush is disliked for lots of good reasons.

1. He's about to veto a stem cell bill that just passed the senate.

2. He panders to the religious right more than any president before him.

3. He got us into a war in Iraq

4. The patriot act

5. Ignored warnings about 9/11

6. Refuses to believe global warming is actually happening.

7. Seems to have forgotten about Osama Bin Laden.
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Bush is disliked for lots of good reasons.

1. He's about to veto a stem cell bill that just passed the senate.

2. He panders to the religious right more than any president before him.

3. He got us into a war in Iraq

4. The patriot act

5. Ignored warnings about 9/11

6. Refuses to believe global warming is actually happening.

7. Seems to have forgotten about Osama Bin Laden.
But, uh... Bill Clinton got oral and lied about it. Uh... you're a bolshevik.

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Old 07-19-2006, 10:29 AM
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Bush is disliked for lots of good reasons.

1. He's about to veto a stem cell bill that just passed the senate.

2. He panders to the religious right more than any president before him.

3. He got us into a war in Iraq

4. The patriot act

5. Ignored warnings about 9/11

6. Refuses to believe global warming is actually happening.

7. Seems to have forgotten about Osama Bin Laden.
Not to mention that the president basically enforces and abides by only the laws he chooses: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062700145.html
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Old 07-19-2006, 10:42 AM
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Clinton got grief because he perjured himself to a grand jury. Had Bush done that, blowjob or not, you would be clamoring for his impeachment.

Bush is getting grief because the left despises him.
I think there is already ample material to impeach the president if anyone cared to make an issue of it, with or without a grand jury. Frankly, I believe impeachment would be terrible for the country as a whole, and plan on voting according to this in midterm elections. A much better, safer for the long term stability of the government course, would be to censure the president. That he has avoided censure to now is a tribute to partisan politics at its worst.

As an aside, defending anyone in terms of someone else is a poor mechanism at best. "Bush is OK, because Clinton did *whatever*" is lame.
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Bush is disliked for lots of good reasons.

1. He's about to veto a stem cell bill that just passed the senate.

2. He panders to the religious right more than any president before him.

3. He got us into a war in Iraq

4. The patriot act

5. Ignored warnings about 9/11

6. Refuses to believe global warming is actually happening.

7. Seems to have forgotten about Osama Bin Laden.

Anyone who cares about those things is a dumb Communist.
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Anyone who cares about those things is a dumb Communist.
And anyone who even talks to vegyrex is a probably a socialist just for having talked to him. It's contagious you know.
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But, uh... Bill Clinton got oral and lied about it. Uh...
Well when Billy messed up nobody died, his marriage and a stained dress were the only casualties. When Bush fucks up people get hurt and die.

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Yes I know, thank you comrade.
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Anyone who cares about those things is a dumb Communist.

I'm a bunny hugger.
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And anyone who even talks to vegyrex is a probably a socialist just for having talked to him. It's contagious you know.

I'm no commie!!

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Old 07-19-2006, 01:21 PM
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Hey, I *wish* that everyone who hated Bush was a commie.

Cos if they were... Hello United Socialist States of America!
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I hope they have to stay there...it'll serve 'em right for leaving in the first place

what the hell are those morons doing over there in the first place. i say let 'em stay there and rot. i could care less if they are "attending" school over there or not....America has many finer learning institutes than Lebanon. give me a break.
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