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Old 07-14-2006, 04:11 PM
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Here's a thread to post and discuss the bombings in Lebanon by Israel and of Israel by Hezbollah.


Israel pursues strikes on Lebanon
Man holds remains of Katyusha rocket in Safed, northern Israel
Hezbollah has fired dozens of rockets into northern Israel
Israel is continuing to subject Lebanon to strikes by land, sea and air, following the capture of two Israeli soldiers by Hezbollah militants.

More than 50 people, mostly civilians, have been killed in the attacks.

Israeli jets have struck southern Beirut, a Hezbollah stronghold, and the main Beirut-Damascus road.

Hezbollah has hit Israeli towns with rocket attacks and Israeli sources said the group had fired on the northern port city of Haifa.

Hezbollah had said it would attack Haifa if Israeli planes bombed Beirut but denied firing any rockets at Israel's third largest city.

However, it has killed at least two Israelis and injured dozens in rocket attacks into Israel in the past two days.

The Israeli ambassador in Washington, Danny Ayalon, described the Haifa incident as a "major escalation" of the crisis.

Israel later bombed targets in southern Beirut, where Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah has offices, Lebanese security sources said. A power plant was also reportedly hit.

And Lebanon's road to Damascus - the main arterial route - was closed by Israeli jet attacks in the central mountains region, Lebanese officials said.

On Thursday, Israeli forces twice struck the international airport in Beirut.

Mr Ayalon said the international community should make it clear to Iran and Syria - which Israel says form an "axis of terror" with Hezbollah and Palestinian militants Hamas - that they were "playing with fire".

Calls for calm

According to Syrian television, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad telephoned Syrian President Bashar al-Assad on Thursday night to say there would be a "fierce response" to any Israeli attack on Syria.

"If the Zionist regime commits another stupid move and attacks Syria, this will be considered like attacking the whole Islamic world," Mr Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying.

Meanwhile the UN Security Council has arranged an emergency meeting for Friday at Lebanon's request.

International calls for calm are growing, with Russia, France and the EU saying Israel's response to the capture of two soldiers was disproportionate.

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice urged Israel to exercise restraint but also demanded that Syria put pressure on Hezbollah to stop attacks on Israel.

Lebanese ministers have called for a ceasefire with Israel, saying that all means should be used to end "open aggression" against their country.

Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev said Israel was responding to "an unprovoked act of aggression" by Lebanon.

The offensive follows a day of heavy fighting on Wednesday in which the Israelis suffered their worst losses on the border for several years.

Eight soldiers were killed and two were injured, in addition to the two captured in a Hezbollah ambush.

Hezbollah has said the captured soldiers will not be returned without a release deal for Palestinian, Lebanese and other Arab prisoners held in Israeli jails.

Israel is also continuing a separate offensive in the Gaza Strip. An Israeli soldier was in a cross border raid by Palestinian militants last month.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5178492.stm

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Hezbollah leader vows 'open war'

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah has promised "open war" against Israel, in an address broadcast shortly after his Beirut offices were bombed by Israel.

The militant group said its leader was unhurt in the attack. It was not clear when his remarks were recorded.

The raid came as Israel stepped up its offensive to free two Israeli soldiers seized by Hezbollah. More than 60 Lebanese have been killed so far.

Israel's chief of staff, Dan Halutz, said the soldiers were still alive.

A third soldier, captured by Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip where Israel is conducting a separate operation, is also still alive, he said.

Hezbollah has continued rocket attacks on northern Israel - 70 were fired on Friday alone.

A mother and daughter died in an attack on the town of Meron. Two Israelis died in attacks on Thursday.

Sheikh Nasrallah, in an address on Hezbollah's TV channel in Lebanon, threatened Israel, saying: "You wanted an open war and we are ready for an open war."

He referred to an Israeli warship he said had launched attacks from of the coast of Lebanon, saying: "Look at the warship that has attacked Beirut, while it burns and sinks before your very eyes."

Israel later confirmed that one of its warships had been lightly damaged by rockets fired from the shore.

The Hezbollah leader promised "war on every level". He said the Israeli coastal city of Haifa would come under attack, "and believe me, even beyond Haifa".

"Our homes will not be the only ones to be destroyed, our children will not be the only ones to die," he said.

The crisis began when Hezbollah guerrillas seized two Israeli soldiers in a cross-border raid from Lebanon on Wednesday. Eight Israeli troops were also killed.

Israel responded with a major offensive - its biggest in more than two decades. The targets included not only Hezbollah positions but strategic sites like main roads, bridges and Beirut's international airport.

Residential areas near Hezbollah positions have been hit in air strikes, the group said.

Israel has warned residents by leaflet to stay away from Hezbollah locations.

Calls for restraint

In an emergency meeting of the UN Security Council, Lebanon called for an end to the Israeli operation.

Bush urges Israel to 'limit harm'

The offensive was destroying infrastructure and causing the death of innocent civilians in full view of the international community, said Nouhad Mahmoud, Lebanon's ambassador to the UN.

Israeli Ambassador Dan Gillerman said Israel had no choice but to react to Hezbollah's aggression, describing the group as "merely the finger on the bloodstained and long-reaching arms of Syria and Iran".

The escalation has sparked international calls for restraint.

French President Jacques Chirac said the Israeli air strikes were "completely disproportionate" and the Vatican described them as an attack on a sovereign and free nation.

Mr Olmert said he would agree to a ceasefire if Hezbollah returned the two captured soldiers and stopped firing rockets at northern Israel, and Lebanon implemented UN Security Council resolution 1559, calling for the disarmament of the militant group.

Hezbollah has said the captured soldiers will not be returned without a release deal for Palestinian, Lebanese and other Arab prisoners held in Israeli jails.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5182048.stm

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All this over some soldiers?
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Bush urges Israel to 'limit harm'

LOL!!!!

I fully support Israel but how are they suppose to "limit harm?"

Our whacky president.
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LOL!!!!

I fully support Israel but how are they suppose to "limit harm?"

Our whacky president.
Actually, I heard they were dropping leaflets in Lebanon warning people to stay away from Hezbollah offices. That was right decent of them.

But that doesn't change the fact that Bush has his head way the fuck up his ass.
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Actually, I heard they were dropping leaflets in Lebanon warning people to stay away from Hezbollah offices. That was right decent of them.
Yes it was decent of them. Thats more than Hezbollah or Hamas would ever do. Those bad boys are in business to kill. Doesn't matter if their victims are military or not.

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sucks to be someone who didnt get a leaflet = / but at least they tried i suppose.

couldn't have there been another way around this? do you think syria will get involved, directly or indirectly, either by israeli aggression or by will of 'protecting' lebanon?
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sucks to be someone who didnt get a leaflet = / but at least they tried i suppose.
My guess is that you wouldn't need a leaflet to tip you off to the fact that you should stay away from places you know Israel's going to want to bomb, but it was a friendly gesture anyway.
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couldn't have there been another way around this?
Sure, but you need both parties to be able to act in a reasonable manner. Hamas and Hezzbollah are not known for acting reasonably.

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do you think syria will get involved, directly or indirectly, either by israeli aggression or by will of 'protecting' lebanon?
Israel already buzzed the Syian capital with their jet fighters. It was their way to let the Syrian government know they're thinking about them.
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holy fuck.

I'm sick of this shit
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My guess is that you wouldn't need a leaflet to tip you off to the fact that you should stay away from places you know Israel's going to want to bomb, but it was a friendly gesture anyway.
like beirut's airport?
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This stuff makes me feel so powerless. I know something's got to give, but I always hope it doesn't come to violence.

What I find difficult to unpack is the conflation of the land and the religion. A good proportion of Lebanon is Christian and not Muslim, which makes Ahmadinejad sound kind of... wrong. Misguided?

Why are humans so fucking reactionary? It's baffling.
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lebanon has a considerable amount of christians, but i believe the majority is still muslim.

<<Israel already buzzed the Syian capital with their jet fighters. It was their way to let the Syrian government know they're thinking about them.>>

ohhh fuck. do you have an article about this by the way? i'd like to read it.
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like beirut's airport?
Yes, that was completely fucked up. Apparently they did it so that Hezbollah members couldn't get away. Nevermind that no innocent civlians could either.
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lebanon has a considerable amount of christians, but i believe the majority is still muslim.

<<Israel already buzzed the Syian capital with their jet fighters. It was their way to let the Syrian government know they're thinking about them.>>

ohhh fuck. do you have an article about this by the way? i'd like to read it.
Yeah. I think you're right. I was trying to find a stat on that. All of the lebanese people I know are Christian, but they also live in North America, so I suspect that's a very skewed sample.
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<<Israel already buzzed the Syian capital with their jet fighters. It was their way to let the Syrian government know they're thinking about them.>>

ohhh fuck. do you have an article about this by the way? i'd like to read it.
Actually it was that nutt job president Bashar al-Assad's palace they buzzed.

http://www.boston.com/news/world/mid...ht_over_syria/
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The death toll in Lebanon is increasing. Over 60 confirmed dead so far. The blockade was unnecessary. People in Southern Lebanon and South Beirut are shitting bricks and a good portion of them don't support Hezballah's actions. The Israeli government makes no efforts not to risk the lives of innocent civilians, their "warnings" go unheard and the IDF doesn't mind not being so precise, as long as it's not their people dying. Terrorists aren't the only ones being a target here. The airport, bridges, and roads are all being destroyed preventing the Lebanese people from any movement. It's tearing the nation apart.

This is in no way legitimate. I don't care what the Israeli government claims anymore. I want to see Hezballah officials assasinated or captured as soon as possible so that the sane Arabs and Israelis can celebrate the death of a cruel organization whose officials don't mind causing an entire country to engage in "open warfare."

People in the Middle East are disgusted, with a small minority celebrating these attacks, however most of the ones who think that this is a "victory" are either brainwashed kids or poor villagers.

Nasralla better not attack Haifa like he keeps threatening to. That will be incredibly irresponsible on his part. He is not READY for war with Israel. This will be worse than 1967 because American forces are getting ready to react. They're just waiting for a signal.

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Yeah. I think you're right. I was trying to find a stat on that. All of the lebanese people I know are Christian, but they also live in North America, so I suspect that's a very skewed sample.
According to the CIA

Lebanon is 59% Muslim and 39% Christian.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/...k/geos/le.html
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This will be worse than 1967 because American forces are getting ready to react. They're just waiting for a signal.
I don't think so. We're too busy with Iraq. I'm pretty sure Israel can handle this mess by itself.

Unless Iran and Syria do something stupid and launch chemical weapons at Israel. In which case Israel might respond my nuking them.

Never underestimate the stupidity of Iran and Syria.
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I love how everyone is always bashing the US or Bush. These fucking idiots over in the mid east should just know better, and realize that nothing good comes of what they are doing to each other, and just fucking cease and desist.
It's no wonder most of the mid east wallows in 3rd and 4th world poverty..they're always bombing the shit out of each other and their infrastructures, there's no place for development, or any kind of peaceful resolution. In fact, they dont even really know what they are fighting about or for, they just think for some inane reason that this is the way to go.
They've been fighting over there for decades. What good has it gotten them?
And then it's up to the west to help them out, yet whenever they do, they are bashed because we must have some sort of other purpose to do so. Well fuck that shit.

They bomb each ther for any reason they can think up over there. Something stupid is always taking place. What's new?
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