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08-04-2012, 04:12 AM
|  | How sexy am I now? | | Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Here for the heavy ****ing.
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Originally Posted by sssh That's horrible, I would have been really scared.
I'm really cautious about raising any race element because north Africans are such a stigmatised population in Europe, and I don't want to add to that, but I know that the north African theme is often raised by European women talking about harassment.
I noticed this when I was working in Limoges aged 17; one particularly scary incident was a guy who followed me while I was walking home through the centre, repeatedly asking me if I'd go back to his house, and walking alongside me in a way that pushed me closer to side streets. I looked young for my age and had no idea how to react to that level of close-up intimidation. Thinking about it later, it's disturbing.
Still, I get plenty of harassment in the UK, where there are very few north Africans. Most of it is while riding my bike, which is so dangerous, but men don't think about how you could die on the roads when their need to tell you they'd **** you is so much more urgent.
How does harassment in Australia compare to Holland, Mrs R? | We don't really have gangs of men roaming around where I live, it's a government city... so the harassment I get here is usually in actual bars from annoying drunk men or random people shouting from cars.
I am sure it is different in Sydney or Melbourne though.
If race weren't an element in the harassment I experienced, I wouldn't have mentioned it but I never had any bad experiences with any white Dutch men, even in bars if they were drunk and trying to hit on you, and you told them to go away they just went away. Here they'd call you a **** or a *****. I chickened out going out tonight cause I couldn't be ****ed dealing with that, I always get it arguments with ****s that harass me and get kicked out. I never go to any "Irish pubs" they are the worst. | 
08-04-2012, 10:20 AM
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| | | i was out today for legit no more than 15 minutes to go to the shops and two fat freak men separately said weird **** about/to me ("she's nice isn't she"/ "how about a kiss" how bout no).
it's ill how normal it is to hear stuff like that and have to pretend you didn't.
the weird thing is i don't hear much (i can think off the top of my head maybe 3 instances in the last 4 years) of men saying things in the actual large city i'm always in - but maybe that's TOO public? it's always the smaller town(s) i live in & frequent where the **** goes down
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just remembered when i was about 17 a man told me he'd like to tie me and was all "the things i'd do to you" up in one of these said small towns. fuuuukk | 
08-04-2012, 10:49 AM
|  | Woman Talking to Death | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn
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Originally Posted by sssh There's another really good film on street harassment from 1998 that seems worth posting alongside this: War Zone by Maggie Hadleigh-West. I don't know if it inspired Hollaback a few years later, but it certainly prefigures those ideas. It misses out some of the ways harassment has changed as technology has changed - mainly the rise of cameraphones - but the way she challenges her harassers, and the reaction they have, is still something very much worth watching if you haven't seen it before. | I've seen that one a bunch of times, and I think I've met the filmmaker, but I'm not positive. I was a founding member of an anti-street harassment group that ran from 2000 to 2006-ish. Hollaback was just starting around the time we were sputtering out - we did some things with them, but the two groups were at totally different points. | 
08-04-2012, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by sssh Yeah, it's not a good tourist advert, but then it's not uncommon in Sheffield for me to get harassed three times in a day. It makes me think of this cartoon (I don't like the artwork style, but the message is good):  | That is just plain wonderful. Not what happens in the cartoon, of course, but the cartoon itself. An excellent view on the whole thing.
It absolutely baffles me that there are still men who are this ****ing stupid, such that they think it's actually a compliment to yell random sexual comments to a woman you've never met. I really need to start punching more people in the face. | 
08-04-2012, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by MrsRenkse We don't really have gangs of men roaming around where I live, it's a government city... so the harassment I get here is usually in actual bars from annoying drunk men or random people shouting from cars.
I am sure it is different in Sydney or Melbourne though.
If race weren't an element in the harassment I experienced, I wouldn't have mentioned it but I never had any bad experiences with any white Dutch men, even in bars if they were drunk and trying to hit on you, and you told them to go away they just went away. Here they'd call you a **** or a *****. I chickened out going out tonight cause I couldn't be ****ed dealing with that, I always get it arguments with ****s that harass me and get kicked out. I never go to any "Irish pubs" they are the worst. | In the past when I've told men to leave me alone because I was on a night with my friends and didn't want to talk to them, they've accused me of being rude! I'd never get to the point of being kicked out, but I'm impressed you stick up for yourself up to that point (even though the guys should be the ones getting kicked out, of course). I'd probably end up crying out of feeling helpless and frustrated first.
One of my friends just wrote on facebook that while she was walking along a road today a kid on a bike put his hand between her legs!! I think someone posted about that on Jezebel recently and I couldn't quite understand the logistics, but if it happened to my friend it must be plausible
rosaline, I find it hard to come up with a pattern to do with small/big towns, though I'm sure there's something in it. Harassment is rare in my village because everyone would know who it was. I dress in a way that stands out in a small town or city and so often attracts extra harassment, but my outfits would be unremarkable somewhere like London, where I'd get less harassment on that basis. I don't know, trying to rationalise something as stupid as harassment into patterns seems impossible... | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode |
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