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Old 05-27-2012, 02:50 PM
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I don't know why you think anyone would expend any effort on this. You'll dismiss anything you don't like as the "official record", because you have no interest in whether it's true or not. If Neil Armstrong himself told you that he walked on the Moon, you could still insist that he was paid off or whatever, so why should anyone bother?
But people do expend effort on this. And it is not me who will dismiss anything, it is they. I don't produce amateur youtube movies about JFK, though I may consume them.

I am only advocating for the relentless pursuit of the truth. I am not 100% sold on any of the conspiracy theories. I am 100% committed to the idea that we are lied to all the time though.

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Old 05-27-2012, 03:04 PM
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They're basically interchangeable. Anyone doing the former can claim to be doing the latter and use exactly the same arguments in their defense. If those "raising questions" were so different from those manufacturing doubt, why do they look so similar and talk the same?
I can't change the way you assimilate ideas, all I can do is say that one is outright deception, and the other is aggressive inquiry. If you can't see the difference I can't help you.

You believe that what I have identified as inquiry, is actually deception disguised as inquiry. You are welcome to this belief. Be open to the possibility that you are just flat wrong here.


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Neil Armstrong is a firsthand witness. What you don't seem to understand is that it's really obvious when people are selective with the witnesses they listen to. If you would listen to some YouTubetard "raising questions", why wouldn't you listen to Neil Armstrong? He should at least get equal billing. But then, as I said, you'd rather keep the questions open than get answers. Nothing will persuade you that something you don't want to believe is true. Only an idiot would waste their time on you knowing that.
Setting aside the fact that we should not expect Neil Armstrong to incriminate and humiliate himself, I would like to point out that you are barking up the wrong tree. I don't know what did or did not happen on the moon in 1969, I only know that I have doubts about the official record.

I am a doubter, for better or worse. I therefore have sympathy for people who spend their time expressing these doubts, which sometimes have a rational basis. I have a very profound distrust of our governments, and I am always working from the assumption that everything they tell us is a lie, in part or in total. They have earned this distrust.

That is where the conspiracy theory nuts come in. They are often wrong and crazy, I grant you this (and stated such from the very beginning), but they are doing the job that you and I are not willing to do. So I am defending them, here in this thread.
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I'm guessing we're now going to get into whether the quote is genuine
No, thank god, we won't.
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OK. I'm just saying, though, that I haven't seen anything specific given that can't very easily be explained or rebutted with minimal research. Though I'm not invested in this very much because I love your cynical stance toward authority.

Did I mention I had an ABC News reporter rage at me on Twitter over some criticism I offered of her sloppy reporting? I'm moving up!
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LOL. I am not as invested as it would seem either.

Please tell me more about the reporter. In this thread, might as well.
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