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doesn't the death penalty still apply in texas? blow his fucking balls off and let him bleed to death.

well I think its stupid to consider guys who like 15 yr old girls pedophiles, because pedos like girls who are pre-puberty and 15 yr olds arent.


AND NO IM NOT JUSTIFYING THE BEHAVIOUR.

^^ i get what you're saying.

I know what you're saying too, but I have to disagree because the girls' minds aren't mature. Maybe if the guy is only like 20 it wouldn't be as big of a deal, but a grown man fooling around with a 15 year old girl is pedophilia because he's taking advantage of a younger vulnerable person (who most likely has some serious issues) who he's certainly not going to help by touching! It's pedophilia on an emotional level. The whole attraction pedophiles experience is probably zeroed in on the fact that they like their victims vulnerable. And 15 year old girls ARE vulnerable. They want attention more than probably anybody.

Well Im just turned 16 about 6 days ago and I have teleiophilia in which I only find guys over 30 attractive.

the preference of adolescenents is actually Ephebophilia (which is not a disorder by the american psychatric association because its normal, so is teleiophilia)

I don't think teens minds are mature because we condition them that way.

its wrong for a 30 yr old want a 15 yr old but its ok if she's 18? thats just stupid.

"a 15 year old girl is pedophilia because he's taking advantage of a younger vulnerable person"

it depends on the emotions involved. But I disagree, finding 15 yr olds attractive is biologically normal, some are more mature than others. I just find it stupid, that the whole arguement is "well teens are mature enough to be with a 30 yr old but its ok if hes like 20"

its wrong for a 30 yr old want a 15 yr old but its ok if she's 18? They are still at different levels of maturity yet thats legal.

Pedophilia is not biologically normal because they cannot bear children.

It's no more stupid than you saying you are only attracted to men 30 years or older. What's the matter with 29 year olds?
I hate to say it, but I don't think these laws are in place because it's "not natural" for an older man to be attracted to a teenage girl; these laws are there for the greater good of society. They may be somewhat arbitrary, but not every 15-16 year old has such high ethical standards as you do (*cough*) or is as mature as you. (*ahem*)

I understand you take issue with this, but is it really too much to ask men to keep their dicks in their pants if a girl isn't over 18? If he's really in love with the girl, he can wait, and if he's only lusting after her, he can find another object of lust that's a bit older.

It might also be "biologically normal" to want to kill people as other animals kill each other, but we have laws that are set up to somewhat match the morals of a society to benefit the society. I can't think of any good (for society at large or the individuals involved) that can come of having 30 year olds in "relationships" with 15 year olds. Whether 15 year old girls have been conditioned by society to be "immature" or whether it's some biological thing is besides the point. The end result is the same.

Well I agree that pedophilia is not "normal" though I don't think having ability to procreate has anything to do with it, but I can't help but wonder how you make these judgements? Where exactly did you read that pedophilia isn't normal but ephebophilia (?) is? If you think that its ok for 30 yr old men to sleep with 15 yr olds, why draw the line there? Why not 14 yr olds? Why not 13 yr olds? I had my period by then.

Whats the matter with 29 yr olds? I don't know, don't ask me. But every guy I've ever found attractive is at least 30, its just my nature, i can't explain it. Some people get turned on by feet, well whats wrong with hands? they don't know,its just their preference.

Those laws are stupid because its making a singular age a be all and all, why are they good for society? you think throwing someone in for jail for rape when they had consentual sex with a 16 yr old and you have her trying to bail him out? Theres no crime there.

Not every 15-16 is the same that's right so we shouldnt make them all adhere to an unecessary and discriminatory statue that treats a guy that has sex with a 15 yr old the same as a guy who screwed an 8 yr old.


It is in any case. How would you like it if you liked a guy 2 years younger than you but you couldnt bang or get married because he is 2 yrs younger than the AOC (age of consent). It's an incoveninece and intrudes on peoples personal freedoms and private lives who make CONSENTING decisions .

Find one a bit older? if you lusted after a guy 2 years older you cant have a nice one night stand because of the age but some girl who is 18 its ok,why? like I said, consent is the key here.


First of all humans and animals are 2 completely different species for the most part, Im talking about pure human chemistry. Our closest relatives are the apes and they arent exactly dinosours, anyways our brains are bigger than theirs, we are more intelligence, with more capacity and emotions andeverything that makes us the homosapiens that we are.

the only biologically normal reason to kill for humans. is self-defense which is legally upheld as a right if your lives in danger. Why shouldnt this be?

morals that benefit the good of society? you're sounding like a Reagan-ite here.While I agree with morals and rules I think they should be what's right and not conforming to unrealistic principals held by a group or population or society.

" can't think of any good (for society at large or the individuals involved) that can come of having 30 year olds in "relationships" with 15 year olds."

tell the good with a 30 yr old having a relationship with an 18 yr old? only 3 yrs difference but its legal and ok yet they are at different stages of maturity and is some how "good" for society? 18 yr olds have the rights to consent to that, why not 15 yr olds?


What is the end result? youre saying every single case is the same? bull.

[QUOTEWell I agree that pedophilia is not "normal" though I don't think having ability to procreate has anything to do with it, but I can't help but wonder how you make these judgements? Where exactly did you read that pedophilia isn't normal but ephebophilia (?) is? If you think that its ok for 30 yr old men to sleep with 15 yr olds, why draw the line there? Why not 14 yr olds? Why not 13 yr olds? I had my period by then.][/quote]

ephebopihlia is normal according to DOCTORS AND PSYCHATRISTS.

The DSM-IV which is the official medical listing of mental and psychatric disorders used to diagnose people with refused to list "ephebophilia" and "teliophilia" as mental disorder because they said itis biologically normal, unlike pedophilia, where pre-pubescent is pathological.

I don't think we should have an age of consent. I do think we should have statutory rape laws, but they can only be if the person "didnt want this" "didnt understand what was going on" or coercied or "made me do it for something".

It's not your "nature". You have said yourself that you think it is "societial conditioning" that causes 15 year old girls to be immature. What makes you think you're so special? Why do you think you've risen above this societal conditioning? I would just argue that you have merely taken the rebellious stance against societal conditioning because for some reason you need to be "bad". (to get attention?) Just because you react in the opposite way that society intends for you to with conditioning does not mean that your tastes in men have not been dictated by society.

no shit sherlock.


chemistry is mostly biological.


and the average male's brain is bigger than the avg. female's. and elephant's brains are larger than ours. What's your point?

And you're sounding like a girl who is desparate for attention from an older man for some reason or other.

But in a representative republic, that's how it works. The majority agree that these laws are good and realistic. I'm sorry you're not with the majority here, but that doesn't mean your point of view is right. I'm sorry, but I've seen you make too many stalking threads to believe that you are incredibly insightful into our society or your own psychology.

Probably none, but at least the 18 yr old will have finished high school and be able to drive herself to see her bf. I realize finishing high school is not some great benchmark of maturity, but it is something of a rite of passage in our culture.

I asked you before and I'll ask you again: why not 14 yr olds? Where do you want to draw the line? And btw, 3 years can make a WORLD of difference in someone's maturity levels.

No, I'm not. I think this conversation requires some sweeping generalizations on my part as I'm already likely to make my posts longer than anyone has the patience to read. No, not every case is the same. But how many relationships between 15 yr olds and 30 yrs olds do you suppose have ended up fine and dandy? My guess is not that many. I think far more would be damaging to the people involved, and their loved ones.


But at what age would the cutoff for that be and why?

wow can we all chill here I am feeling personally attacked, this was not my intention, I just wanna have a simple debate, Im sorry if I came off rude I didn't mean to, Im just arguing my opinons and points.


It is not PURELY social conditioning that causes all 15 yr olds to be immature, but I think it plays a role and a lot more 15 yr olds would more mature if they were treated and taught differently. I have not risen above anything, I don't claim too. That's like saying society makes people straight and being gay is just a way to "rise above" or get attention, we all know thats not true, its hormonal, as it is with me. I am at the age where I become aware of my sexuality, and this may be phase, but it is genuine, i can't explain it, the feelings i feel are real, and i dont decide who i do and don't feel attracted to.

I know, and you were comparing animal instincts with human instincts.


Well if you think majority rules in all cases, then this place would be more Christian-ized than it already is, and I surely don't want that.


Einstien was a dyslexic who flunked math as a child and look at what great mathematical insight he had.

Exactly, rite of passage in our CULTURE as are things like going to church on sunday and blowing shit up on July 4th.


how many relationships between 18 yr olds and 30 yr olds end up? not many either. Damaging, how? If parents accepted and REGULATED activity it would be less likely she would pick a dangerous 30 yr old and keep it secret from you.

there shouldn't be. people can file at any age at it would go to court like any other case and see how believable it would be.

I don't think I'm going to reply to your last post until you tell me why the cutoff should be 15 rather than 14 for acceptable relationships (or 13, 12, etc. for that matter). That is central to this debate and you have dodged the question twice.

what about 20 and 14

THERE SHOULDNT BE A CUTOFF, like I said, there should be no AOC laws but there should be statutory rape laws where the person was coercined, made to do, or wasnt aware of what was going on.

Uh, guys, animals and humans are not two different species.

I just had to comment. It just makes me laugh that the reply to that comment was "no shit Sherlock."

(Keep digging Watson.)

Humans are animals. Animals do not make up a species because animals include all living things except plants and all living things except plants do not make up a species.

Human instincts are animal instincts. What's with the distinction here?

I'm with whoever said being attracted to 15 year olds shouldn't be considered pedophiles. I think a 30-year-old male pursuing sex with a 15 year old is a creep though. I'm not sure if there's mandatory sentencing with statutory rape or not, if there is I think that's a mistake.

Pedophiles should rot though.

But there has to be a cutoff doesn't there? Otherwise, it's just rape, isn't it?

Glad you got a laugh out of it, but your laugh is based on semantics. I know very well about the differences between homosapiens sapiens, pan troglodytes, etc. But I understood her point too, which had nothing to do with the kingdom family order species, etc. of humans or other animals.

You're not asking me but I'm responding. If the only thing distinguishing rape from consensual sex is the girls age I think that's a real problem. Rape is forcing someone to have sex. If a 15 year old can have sex with another 15 year old one day and then the next have sex with a 20 year old under the same circumstances and have that be considered rape, well it makes the whole concept of rape as we usually know it to be pointless. Which is why I guess they call it statutory rape, but that's still stupid.

You may be right, but I still want to hear en_ami's reasoning (or lack of).