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06-26-2006, 11:00 PM
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| | | Cyber_sisters, personal attacks, and cyber-shunning Is it is the best interest of the freedom of expression to use personal attack as an argument, ie. the rape thread?
Is rape a product of Karma?
**sisterhood attack**
"Is the sisterhood a conspiracy?" Quote: | Cyber Sisters are an extremely fierce confederation of fighting females who act something like a shrill Greek chorus, echoing and amplifying one another's voice until their foes retreat in disarray. They are generally leaderless, but anyone who challenges one Cyber Sister can expect to be savagely attacked by the others. Only the most powerful and battle-hardened of Warriors is strong enough to weather a Cyber Sisters attack.
| Can we have a civil discussion, please? | 
06-26-2006, 11:34 PM
|  | Is This What My Body Said | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | About what? A figurative 9-headed female being who represents a conspiracy to rape women as a tracked karmic reaction?
__________________ "the height of arrogance is the height of control of those who create God in their own image" | 
06-27-2006, 12:31 AM
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| | I think the whole idea of karma is fascinating, but far too loose a concept to be juxtaposed with something like rape. At the very least this seems too loose a concept to generate any non-polarized discussion on this board
My 2 cents. | 
06-27-2006, 12:59 AM
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| | | I've met this woman on other message boards as well as this one. I heard two heads are better than one, but geesh, this is a bit much.
Anyway, how is it that women are against a male raping a woman, but gang verbal rape seems to a norm? (I know it is drastically different, but ganging up on individuals leads to bad karma all around)
"Bullies sometimes wear red dresses"
~~carefulcarpenter | 
06-27-2006, 01:21 AM
| | Yo Momma | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Shady Pines, Ma, Shady Pines
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| | | While normally I'd be offended with the caricature and stereotype, it applies here. Most threads in this forum are becoming sniviling little temper tantrums, instead of discussing issues. If you want to have a fight then take it to the Void, or pm each other. Don't clog up the forum with your stupid illiterate clawmarks that do nothing but ruin the discussion.
On the other hand, paladin, I don't know you and even though from what I can remember when I have talked with you we've gotten along ok. But if you go into topics and make remarks that you know are going to piss of that group of people, then don't whine about it. Climb down off the martyr maker and grow a pair.
I don't care if I pissed you all off, fuck you. I've been coming onto this site on and off for five years and it's shit like this that makes it boring. | 
06-27-2006, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero While normally I'd be offended with the caricature and stereotype, it applies here. Most threads in this forum are becoming sniviling little temper tantrums, instead of discussing issues. If you want to have a fight then take it to the Void, or pm each other. Don't clog up the forum with your stupid illiterate clawmarks that do nothing but ruin the discussion.
On the other hand, paladin, I don't know you and even though from what I can remember when I have talked with you we've gotten along ok. But if you go into topics and make remarks that you know are going to piss of that group of people, then don't whine about it. Climb down off the martyr maker and grow a pair.
I don't care if I pissed you all off, fuck you. I've been coming onto this site on and off for five years and it's shit like this that makes it boring. | i hope you'll hang around and discuss the premise of this thread--even if you believe it to be a farse. I think we have something to learn.
When people run out of arguments and thoughts they end up trashing the threads or throwing insults.
I think this caricature is spot on from what I've witnessed on the internet. I believe the reason you don't see it so much in public venues is because bullies prefer anonymity. Not saying women are any more bullies than men. | 
06-27-2006, 01:58 AM
| | WallflowerInAFurBikini | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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Originally Posted by paladin Anyway, how is it that women are against a male raping a woman, but gang verbal rape seems to a norm? (I know it is drastically different, but ganging up on individuals leads to bad karma all around)
"Bullies sometimes wear red dresses"
~~carefulcarpenter | Message boards can obviously become exactly like high-school with people ganging up one person. It's happened to me on this board before. I found it somewhat distressing to be so misunderstood (as I saw it) at the time. But even though you acknowledge rape is "drastically different", to invoke the concept of rape for some polemical purpose to complain (presumably) about bollocks that you're getting from people on here is, um, over-stating your case to say the least. | 
06-27-2006, 02:04 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin I believe the reason you don't see it so much in public venues is because bullies prefer anonymity. | well, what the fuck else is new?
this certainly isn't Quote: |
Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero Climb down off the martyr maker and grow a pair. | exactly
look, you ever hear the expression, "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"?
you're on a fuckin hole forum - on which, thank fuck, we can say (nearly) whatever we want
the fact that you can't "take" a "sisterhood attack" indicates to me that you suck at debate
not everyone is interested in debating on your terms, that goes for on or offline
versatility is a virtue that demonstrates conviction
ya know, i just gotta wonder why the flying fuck you'd pick this forum in particular on which to "preach"
why does it surprise you that sweeping generalizations about women would elicit "attacks" on a hole forum, exactly? | 
06-27-2006, 02:14 AM
| | Yo Momma | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Shady Pines, Ma, Shady Pines
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Originally Posted by paladin i hope you'll hang around and discuss the premise of this thread--even if you believe it to be a farse. I think we have something to learn.
When people run out of arguments and thoughts they end up trashing the threads or throwing insults.
I think this caricature is spot on from what I've witnessed on the internet. I believe the reason you don't see it so much in public venues is because bullies prefer anonymity. Not saying women are any more bullies than men. | Thank you for passing the peace pipe.
I don't think this thread is a farce, I think that it's a shame when other threads on worthwhile topics get turned into arguments not having to do with the topic, but rather personal vendettas against other posters.
I do think the caricature applies on the internet, in real life women may play that card with each other but in action it's the opposite. Putting up the front of banding together, but really sabotoging each other more than not.
Back to the thread issue, I was really interested by your thread about sociopaths, but by the time I caught it it had been turned into shit. It's hard to share opinions/experiences when the past page or two have been nothing but back and forth barbs. I've found that with a lot of threads in this forum lately. | 
06-27-2006, 02:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Fried~Butter to invoke the concept of rape for some polemical purpose to complain (presumably) about bollocks that you're getting from people on here is, um, over-stating your case to say the least. | This thread is not for the purpose of whinning. I can stand the attacks-- I just want to discuss the concept. Why do women feel ganging up is going to lead them to personal empowerment. Hell, I think the sexiest women are independent!! | 
06-27-2006, 02:18 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin Why do women feel ganging up is going to lead them to personal empowerment. | you're a sexist piece of shit
how's that for civil discussion? Quote: |
Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero Thank you for passing the peace pipe.  | i had no idea there was a peace pipe being passed around
christ almighty, this changes everything
O_O | 
06-27-2006, 02:19 AM
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| | | Please shut up already. Find something new to talk about other than rape already. | 
06-27-2006, 02:20 AM
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Originally Posted by clinquant well, what the fuck else is new?
you're on a fuckin hole forum - on which, thank fuck, we can say (nearly) whatever we want Quote:
"versatility is a virtue that demonstrates conviction"
~~clinquant
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Originally Posted by paladin i friggin' like that! | ya know, i just gotta wonder why the flying fuck you'd pick this forum in particular on which to "preach"
why does it surprise you that sweeping generalizations about women would elicit "attacks" on a hole forum, exactly? | i love strong women. I come here because I have been a warrior and a verbal brawler since college. I just have a sissy-assed style--but I really can take a verbal punch without flinching!
I DON'T PREACH--I TEACH! | 
06-27-2006, 02:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero Thank you for passing the peace pipe.
I don't think this thread is a farce, I think that it's a shame when other threads on worthwhile topics get turned into arguments not having to do with the topic, but rather personal vendettas against other posters.
I do think the caricature applies on the internet, in real life women may play that card with each other but in action it's the opposite. Putting up the front of banding together, but really sabotoging each other more than not.
Back to the thread issue, I was really interested by your thread about sociopaths, but by the time I caught it it had been turned into shit. It's hard to share opinions/experiences when the past page or two have been nothing but back and forth barbs. I've found that with a lot of threads in this forum lately. | I like to post tough issues. I am happy you saw some merit in the sociopathy thread. I think it needs to be addressed. I think the world has changed, but too many people are holding on to some old ways because they are affraid to be themselves. The upper 5% of American society suffers from sociopathic tendencies. We need to help them heal or we will always be at the mercy of pathological influences.
Sociopaths don't care! I do!  | 
06-27-2006, 02:33 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin "versatility is a virtue that demonstrates conviction"
~~clinquant | hahahaha!
i hardly know what to say to that
i can't believe you raped my post that way
(and i do indeed feel violated, so fuck you)
not everyone sees themselves as profound
not everyone is so narcissistic
and i don't believe for a second you can "take a verbal punch without flinching"
afterall, you did create this thread, didn't you?
carl sagan was a teacher
you, sir, are a preacher | 
06-27-2006, 02:37 AM
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Originally Posted by clinquant hahahaha!
i hardly know what to say to that
i can't believe you raped my post that way
(and i do indeed feel violated, so fuck you)
not everyone sees themselves as profound
not everyone is so narcissistic
and i don't believe for a second you can "take a verbal punch without flinching"
afterall, you did create this thread, didn't you?
carl sagan was a teacher
you, sir, are a preacher | If you hang around I will teach you about your shadow. Next time! | 
06-27-2006, 02:40 AM
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Originally Posted by clinquant well, what the fuck else is new?
this certainly isn't
exactly
look, you ever hear the expression, "if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen"?
you're on a fuckin hole forum - on which, thank fuck, we can say (nearly) whatever we want
the fact that you can't "take" a "sisterhood attack" indicates to me that you suck at debate
not everyone is interested in debating on your terms, that goes for on or offline
versatility is a virtue that demonstrates conviction
ya know, i just gotta wonder why the flying fuck you'd pick this forum in particular on which to "preach"
why does it surprise you that sweeping generalizations about women would elicit "attacks" on a hole forum, exactly? | You just gave a great example of what I was expressing.
Debating if great, I love it, it makes me tingle in special places. But people who lack the ability to discuss issues while sticking to the issue annoy me. There is no heat here, just a lot of shoving each other off the monkey bars.
Yes this is the motherfucking fuckin Hole fuckin forum, you see I can do that too! But more eloquently, I enjoy this forum because of it's colorfull people and freedom of speech. All I was expressing was my distaste for those who stray from the topic at hand in order to hurl barbs at their adversaries. I am regretfull that you misinterpereted my words as an attack on your civil liberties, say as you wish but just remember that I have the same rights as you.
You see how much bitchier that was than just saying fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck?
As far as coming to the Hole forum, I've been here a long time and debaters like you come and go like condoms with whores.
If you want to take this further than MOVE IT TO THE VOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | 
06-27-2006, 02:42 AM
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Originally Posted by paladin I like to post tough issues. I am happy you saw some merit in the sociopathy thread. I think it needs to be addressed. I think the world has changed, but too many people are holding on to some old ways because they are affraid to be themselves. The upper 5% of American society suffers from sociopathic tendencies. We need to help them heal or we will always be at the mercy of pathological influences.
Sociopaths don't care! I do!  | I promise to post about that in that thread to bring it back to life, give me a day though. 
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06-27-2006, 02:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Misanthropic Superhero You just gave a great example of what I was expressing.
Debating if great, I love it, it makes me tingle in special places. But people who lack the ability to discuss issues while sticking to the issue annoy me. There is no heat here, just a lot of shoving each other off the monkey bars.
Yes this is the motherfucking fuckin Hole fuckin forum, you see I can do that too! But more eloquently, I enjoy this forum because of it's colorfull people and freedom of speech. All I was expressing was my distaste for those who stray from the topic at hand in order to hurl barbs at their adversaries. I am regretfull that you misinterpereted my words as an attack on your civil liberties, say as you wish but just remember that I have the same rights as you.
You see how much bitchier that was than just saying fuckity, fuck, fuck, fuck?
As far as coming to the Hole forum, I've been here a long time and debaters like you come and go like condoms with whores.
If you want to take this further than MOVE IT TO THE VOID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! | hahaha
"this is the motherfucking fuckin Hole fuckin forum"
i'm gonna use that sometime, and | |