Big issue. Thoughts?

From the Washington Post:

Despite Denials, U.S. Plans for Iran War
The U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) has been conducting theater campaign analysis for a full scale war with Iran since at least May 2003, responding to Pentagon directions to prepare for potential operations in the "near term."

The campaign analysis, called TIRANNT, for "theater Iran near term," posits an Iraq-like maneuver war between U.S. and Iranian ground forces and incorporates lessons learned from Operation Iraqi Freedom.

In addition to the TIRANNT effort and the Marine Corps Karona invasion scenario I discussed yesterday, the military has also completed an analysis of Iran's missile force (the "BMD-I" study), the Defense Intelligence Agency has updated "threat data" for Iranian forces, and Air Force planners have modeled attacks against "real world" Iranian air defenses and targets to establish new metrics. What is more, the United States and Britain have been conducting war games and contingency planning under a Caspian Sea scenario that could also pave the way for northern operations against Iran....

More here:
http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/earl...e_denials.html

I find it ironic that the US calls every country not sucking its dick with nuclear equipment dangerous, as i recall correctly the US is the only country ever to use nuclear weapons to kill innocent people. To me the US is equally dangerous then a country like Iran.

I think Hussein tested weopons on Iran? I can't remember properly.

But yeah, the US government seems quite war-friendly. I didn't realise that the first plans were laid down in 2003 (i don't know about US intelligence reports - whether or not Iran were building nuclear weopons prior to now), i did think that there would be a definate possibility of war after the mayor of Tehran was elected, though.

well Ahmadinejad didn't made himself very populair by saying the holocaust was a myth. But shouldn't every country have the opportunity to develop? According to the iranians it would be a massive step in the futur(following the west).

http://www.exodus2006.com/fab/iran-bush.htm
http://www.exodus2006.com/fab/iran-dest-fire.htm
http://www.exodus2006.com/fab/DestructionIran.htm
http://www.exodus2006.com/irancodes.htm

I just found these today, so I thought I'd post them. Their just Bible Codes that mention a war between the US and Iran. There's others that say that the UK will join forces with Bush and that Bush is the Beast (of Satan). Nothin big or incitefull, but went with the thread a bit.

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Dr. Nathanson

far more dangerous than any of us know. Bush wants control and he has no issue with killing to gain it. He is blatently ignoring the people. Americans dont want this war with Iraq, we dont want one with Iran, we dont want any of the bullshit he's pulling and he's smuggly doing what he wants. We're no democracy anymore!

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Dr. Nathanson

Bush is a total war-monger, his government to me is the same as Nero's, they get rich while the rest of the world burns.

Yeah, but he spoke out against future relations with the United States and criticised the UN. He also spoke about the 'Islamic revolution' (though i'm not sure he was referring to violence) that would be felt worldwide (although he is opposed to terrorism). That put the shits up a lot of people. I agree about the development thing - but there's no way the USA will leave them alone. I wonder how the UK will act though, the majority of people are anti the Iraq war, especially after learning it was illegal. The rest of Europe actually hate us for Blair licking Bush's arse. They're punishing us - ever since the war in Iraq we've come last in the European Song Contest

Re: nuclear power - (from Wikipedia)

Doesn't sound much like war mongering.

I wonder how this war will be justified?

OT a bit (hope you don't mind me asking) - That's quite interesting, especially considering that Bush's key supporter's are the religious right. I did read the bible a few years ago, and it describes false worshipper's as 'scribes and pharisees' - i know from reading your posts your opposed to some of the actions of so-called 'Christians', so would you personally describe them as that?

Sorry, it's a bit off topic, i'm just interested in your opinion on this.

absolutely! there's a code that says plainly "bush is not a Christian" I was decieved into thinking he was and voted for him, but he's not. He's been bought by the "pharisees" of our time and the codes list some of them too as hypocrites. you can image some of the names on that list - joyce meyer, sherry shriner, ellen white, paula & randy white, john hagee, benny hinn, W M Branham, the pope, joel osteen... most of what you're seeing is false Christianity and corrupt. It's all money money money. A Christian leader would not have let New Orleans suffer the way they have. There could never be a Christian leader in the US, because of the corruption it takes to get to that position. It sucks that I was nieve and many other Christians too.

check out http://www.bushrevealed.com/
Christians are goggling it up they see a cross hanging from someone's neck and think that's the way to go and applaud and hand over money to them

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Dr. Nathanson

Thanks for the link, it's really interesting.

While i'm personally not a Christian, and i don't believe in many of its mainstream stances, i do believe the religion has a lot of good philosophies - but what many 'Christians' advocate is completely at odds with the actual 'love and peace' message of Jesus.

Thanks again!

By mass brainwashing and lies.

Thumperlyn said it before in this thread, nobody really understands how dangerous the bush administration truly is.In iraq he fought out his daddy personal war and iran will be no different.

Bush has always been a stupid crazy fucker. Ive studied his history at college in Media classes and he is a manipulator with the attitude of a dictator. Without the help of his oil connections and his daddy('s connection) he would have been in a lot of problems. (for example he sold stocks from a company were he was in the board of directors knowing the company was going bankrupt, but got away because members of the stock committee were lawyers of Bush senior),...


The latest war history of the US (gulfwars/afganistan/iraq) all carry the marks of lies and manipulation in order to convince the masses.Always supported by the great american tv channels who simply swallow and choke.

True. It's similar to the tactics used to justify the cold war - "the moral obligation of our time". They stir up so much shit in Iraq in Iran and then take any retaliation (which is just to be expected) as a symbol of 'terrorism and the threat to American democracy'. Ugh. I don't know what will come first - nuclear war or American bankruptcy.

lets hope the second

Yup!

Bush did lose another europian ally with the victory of the left wing in Italy. Prodi will pull back all italian forces who are still in iraq and will not support any new US invasion. US has not sent his congratulations and is hoping for a recount in advantage of the right berlusconi, who represents the new Duce. Let's hope the Uk admin will get some balls so the US is on his own so the UN can prevent a new US interference perhaps.

What exactly does Iran have that George Bush wants?

"Tony Blair" and "balls" don't tend to go together. Hopefully the UN will step in though - they are arguably more globally influential now than the US is. Condoleeza Rice came over to Britian about a week/two weeks ago -she was officially here as a 'guest' of Jack Straw, but the conspiracy theorist in me reckons that there is more to it than that. And by 'more to it' i mean 'preperations for war'. *Sighs* I think the New Labour government are going to be sticking around for a long time also - the opposition on one side has imploded and the other side is a badly organised joke. It doesn't bode well for a peaceful future.

ETA - Good point about the Italians. I had forgotten completely about them *yays for Prodi*

i'm writing my governor and asking her to secede my state from the union.

lol quote of the day!
and we're on the brink of both. and if/when both occur simultaniously.......

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Dr. Nathanson

we should not already be in Iran. It's gonna cost alot of lives. Iran is just trying to make nuclear energy and won't have a bomb until 5-10 years from now.