Ah, shit, it's been baleeted.

I'm guessing someone will have a copy somewhere.

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Valid points, I agree, but I believe if you want to join the Army, Prison Service or Police you can't be a member of the BNP. I might be wrong about the aspect of membership being "illegal" for those aforementioned jobs, but I do know that if you apply you are pointedly asked to declare if you are or ever were a member of the BNP. I don't think applicants for these jobs would actually be forthcoming with this information if they were party members. In which case, them lying about their memberships would be sackable offences (again, I don't know if anyone in these fields have ever been open about their BNP memberships), hence some very nervous people on that list....

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I didn't compare the mccarthy witch hunts with the list being exposed. I asked you to imagine what would have happened had a list of communists been exposed into cold war america given the climate of the country and their attitude to them.

a ballerina at the national ballet was picketed last year, and there have been death threats to other members. you're being naive if you think there are no consequences for a member that still lives a generally normal public life.

honestly, I just can't believe how people will double their standards when it suits them. you don't like something, so anything goes in your fight against it.

how does any of this serve a fight for tolerance, a racism free society, a homophobia free soceity?

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but this isn't a disagreement, this is a personal targetting. hell write all the articles on their belief system you like, I'm good at nazi jokes, I'll help. The people are scum, their beliefs are shit, the reasons they have the beliefs are manipulated as means to end rather than any basis of an arguement. but a list of members proves nothing.

I know they are hypocrits, I know the publish lists of their enemies, I do not want to be like them in any way.

again, I think people are more likely to pity them for being attacked in pretty unjustifiable way by what's supposed to be the moral majority.

your point about them not being ashamed of it is taken though. there is something very seedy about someone that would subscribe to an organization to boost the numbers and support but then get all shy when it's made public. if you believe something you should be prepared to shout it from the roof tops. now I'm sounding like a stupid idealist student. thanks.

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well you see mentioning mccarthy was pretty pointless then, because releasing a list of communists in that era would obviously have had far worse consequences than releasing membership of the BNP in this climate. If you arn't comparing them at all I fail to see what your point is. Releasing a list of communists in a country in a moral/societal panic over the red threat = not the same as releasing a list of BNP membership into a country where large amounts of people tacitly support them or are ambivilent. Only the chattering classes and students really give a shit. there are no points of similarity, but then after all you weren'tcomparing them

again, if they do not have the courage of their convictions they should not have joined, no one forced them to. as for the ballerina, i cannot have sympathy for someone with a mixed race child that belongs to a party that calls for mass deportations of people like her child.

and again, considering harrassment is what the bnp specialises in, i will not feel sympathy. neither is it hypocrisy, i wouldnt feel sorry for an ss camp comandante put to death at nuremburg, even though being imprisioned and put to death bears a facile and passing resemblance to what they did to others.


I'm not saying anything goes against the bnp, I am saying that I don't think treating them like a clandestine organisation that should be accorded complete anonymity is a good idea. I think more public awareness of the type of people who belong to this organisation and how large it is will be a good thing.

because it's exposing the homophobics, racists and intolerent people.

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fine, whatever, it's hardly the crux of anything i'm saying, I raised it as an example. if you don't seen similarity then cool.

and I don't have any sympathy for over-weight prostitutes. so what? you're giving the reason your emoting towards this view but not defending it in any constructive way.

just because it's shitty dosn't mean it qualifies for all the bad words. it is hyopcritical. we don't agree with their views and methods because they don't agree with ours. so how is resorting to their methods not hypocritical. the whole point of the word is it's nothing to do with what the other party does, it's how your actions and arguements back up your stance.

there's nothing unusual or protected how we treat them, we just do what we do with every other political party that's not illegal. you don't have to be public about your membership.

by publishing their addresses? so we can do what, read their streets name's for nazi numerology?

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I just did a poo in case anyone is interested.

I don't think we're going to agree on this, so i will just say this and leave it. I will not feel outrage on behalf of the members of a fascist organisation who have freely chosen to be members. I would seriously doubt they will be violently targeted for this, because in my time in the southwest, I and others politically opposed to their movement were aware of who they were, where they lived etc, but had never targeted them. the sort of malice and intimidation you are fretting over is of a kind that they hand out, not that which they recieve. it is the trademark of the extreme right, not of liberals or the left. for starters, you would have to be a bit mental to go after the bnp in this way, given their links to groups like combat18. I think public awareness of who these people are, and the connection to what they do, will make people stand up and take notice,

incidentally, I have already found one person in my town on the list and was already aware of them. and no i wont be smashing their windows in or ringing their employer.

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i'm not asking anyone to feel outraged on their behalf. I'm outraged on my own behalf that the "side" I support has stooped to such senseless and unjustifiable tactics.

fair enough though, i do not have a beef with you taking your own view but I cannot share it so we'll just leave it at that.

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I love this. It's when we get to see that the hippies are basically worse than the BNP when it comes to descrimination.

right, explain where the discrimination is? not at all surprised you're siding with the bnp

anyway, I had a look on facebook to see how the bnp were taking this, and this post on one of their groups made me laugh...

a few lines later by another poster...

not at all living up to the stereotype of being thick as shit then, and that's without even getting into the ludicrous nature of her opinions...

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I still don't get how it's wrong to reveal the identities of the BNP or sex offenders?

Like I think we should have the right to boycott people, I wouldn't want to give my money to see a show with a racist or a pedofile in it?

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in the case of pedeophiles it's because they've been processed by the criminal justice system and punished accordingly, and the fact that giving out their addresses tends to incite mob violence, most unfortunately against those where it is a case of mistaken identity, or where the term sex offender is misleading.

in the case of the bnp it's wrong to reveal their identity because they should be free to spread intolerance, racism and intimidation with impunity. they should be protected from people knowing how evil and small-minded they are, or having to be judged on their opinions and beliefs like normal people. they should be allowed to belong to organisations that they legally arn't allowed to.

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when i heard about this, i thought perhaps it was the bnp posting these details to show they have mainstream support...

/david icke moment

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I'm kind of on the fence about this. But leaning over to the side that this is actually a bad thing.

I couldn't give two shits about most people on the list and what they do for a living, in that in most cases fascism and whatever given career can be compatible. It's the prison officers / policeman / soldiers that make me shit myself a bit. In an ideal world nobody would be a fascist prick, but you'd kind of hope that those are careers in which that is observed particularly.

On the other hand, I do feel this is intimidation, not in a violent way but in the sense of making people fear for their jobs/livelihoods. Clearly it is nothing close to the level the BNP inflict on others, but does the mere fact that they intimidate people mean they should be intimidated? That's almost "an eye for an eye" sort of thinking, and I bet none or very few of you feel that way on other matters.

Somebody rightly mentioned that a lot of employment contracts prohibit political activity. I know mine have in the past. However, even though I've never been allowed to do anything in politics on a public level, I'd still like the freedom to join a political party without employers knowing of it, since the impression I've gotten from both employers I've had is that they have been conservative or at least majority conservative. Being publicly outed as being of a particular political leaning could be the difference between getting a promotion and getting overlooked in favour of someone "less progressive" for someone like me. People say you should be able to stand by and stand up for your beliefs no matter what. But fuck that. If it doesn't impact on my ability to do my job, and it doesn't bear any relation to the nature of my job, I'm not disclosing shit. I don't have to spell out my views on anything else, so why this?

Maybe those with stronger convictions feel differently, of course. But, honestly, I wouldn't want all and sundry to know my political views b/c I find it to be a complete drag debating with people about current affairs (in person, at least) b/c nobody fucking listens anyway, and everybody just wants a big fucking rant.

So yeah. I'm not sure how I feel (overall), but looking at how I'd feel in this situation, I couldn't possibly give this the thumbs up, no matter how much I really don't like those pricks.

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