Should Rancheria rat out Sophia_ for tax evasion?

kesh · #2 10-24-2008, 03:41 AM

well i must have missed all that in some waffle thread

but no he shouldn't

Ophiel · #3 10-24-2008, 03:51 AM

The context:

http://kittyradio.com/soapbox/news-p...ml#post1108232

I don't think any of us will really be in a position to answer this question until zoanthropy gives us a quick run-down of what Sophia_ can expect from prison.

kesh · #4 10-24-2008, 04:00 AM

i'm not even going to touch that link. but rancheria could maybe steal sophia's unpaid taxes and publicly spend it on whores? this might even up the balance of the universe.

Sophia_ · #5 10-24-2008, 04:02 AM

The premise: Libertarians must be tax cheats. Sophia_ works as a handyman and it is common knowledge that handymen have criminal minds and cheat on their taxes. Rancheria is a self-proclaimed handyman/ coffee shop associate. Could be a case of handyman envy. Or Rancheria could be throwing the spotlight on Sophia_ in order to deflect suspicions about trafficking of drugs and possible prostitution. Rancheria hangs around a coffee shop and drug use is common in this small mountain town. Rancheria has been on a 1 1/2 year campaign to intimidate Sophia_ from frequenting Coffee Emporium-- says Sophia_ "is bad for business".

You be the judge.

kesh · #6 10-24-2008, 04:04 AM

um. who cares?

Ophiel · #7 10-24-2008, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

The premise: Libertarians must be tax cheats. Sophia_ works as a handyman and it is common knowledge that handymen have criminal minds and cheat on their taxes.

I like how you try and make this sound sarcastic. Because actually, no, it's not quite common knowledge that a lot of small businessmen and lone traders, particularly in times of financial strife, will act as a law unto themselves with regard to taxes. But that doesn't mean it never happens, does it?

As I said in the other thread, this isn't about bullying, misperception, projection or anything else; you either did what you're being accused of or you didn't. The fact that you haven't actually said in your post "I have paid my taxes", or "I have not avoided paying my taxes", gets my perceptions in a real tizzy though.

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Originally Posted by kesh

i'm not even going to touch that link. but rancheria could maybe steal sophia's unpaid taxes and publicly spend it on whores? this might even up the balance of the universe.

Only if he YouTubes it.

Sophia_ · #8 10-24-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Ophiel

I like how you try and make this sound sarcastic. Because actually, no, it's not quite common knowledge that a lot of small businessmen and lone traders, particularly in times of financial strife, will act as a law unto themselves with regard to taxes. But that doesn't mean it never happens, does it?

As I said in the other thread, this isn't about bullying, misperception, projection or anything else; you either did what you're being accused of or you didn't. The fact that you haven't actually said in your post "I have paid my taxes", or "I have not avoided paying my taxes", gets my perceptions in a real tizzy though.

Only if he YouTubes it.

Rancheria is very psychologically clever and has lead you to take the bait many, many times. The last thing I would do is deny anything he accuses, for it would only support your unaware conclusion by me paying attention to it.

He's laughing his ass off every time he deceives you. He's that good!

Ophiel · #9 10-24-2008, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

Rancheria is very psychologically clever and has lead you to take the bait many, many times. The last thing I would do is deny anything he accuses, for it would only support your unaware conclusion by me paying attention to it.

And yet by refusing to deny the accusation you simply look like you want to change the subject. This idea is supported further when the subject you change to is (without fail) the bad character of your accuser.

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

He's laughing his ass off every time he deceives you. He's that good!

So you're saying you didn't evade payment of taxes?

Sophia_ · #10 10-24-2008, 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ophiel

And yet by refusing to deny the accusation you simply look like you want to change the subject. This idea is supported further when the subject you change to is (without fail) the bad character of your accuser.

So you're saying you didn't evade payment of taxes?

I doubt that you would get anyone to respond honestly to any of these types of questions. They really are just a self-aggrandizing tactic, anyway.

Here is a clip I found while googling "Joe the Plumber taxes":

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Analysis: Numbers are on "taxable income" — or profits minus all expenses and deductions. If you have more than $250,000 in profits, you'll pay higher taxes under Obama; if you make less than $150,000 after expenses and deductions, you'll pay lower taxes under Obama than McCain. Since McCain's tax cut only applies to corporate taxes, it's possible that Exxon will have a lower tax rate than a gas station owner who owns his business as an LLC.

Taxable income is the key. Many small businesses and self-employed don't make a profit. The most productive means to discuss this would be to start a thread about taxes and try to define the difference between "wages" and "income". The IRS is no fool in these things. The recent gas hike was a possible attempt to tax people at the pump. I think personal income taxes will soon be phased out as a means of revenue. Too many poor working people in relation to corporations who've moved off shore.

People can get pretty high and mighty when they even suggest that "they pay all their taxes". Taxation and charity are always easy means for the self-righteous to feel superior to the small working slob. I think Rancheria is semi-retired and gets a military pension or something like that. He has a lot of free time on his hands to point accusations at people that he stalks on the internet.

Ophiel · #11 10-24-2008, 05:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

I doubt that you would get anyone to respond honestly to any of these types of questions.

I think people who had never avoided paying their taxes would be happy enough to say that they hadn't. I am. I will even admit that I claimed two weeksworth of dole by mistake*.

I cannot fathom what reason someone would have for not answering a question about something as serious and as black and white as tax evasion unless they had something to hide (or were incapable of answering any question with a straight answer, hint hint). If a court judge or an IRS agent asked the question, he'd probably feel the same way as I do.

*Seriously; I assumed my application hadn't been successful, then I get a call from the Job Centre asking where I was! Overnight, I become way less sympathetic to those who complain about how hard it is to live on benefits.

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

They really are just a self-aggrandizing tactic, anyway.

How so? How could I possibly get a power trip from asking someone who's paid their taxes whether they have paid their taxes? At best, we'd be on level pegging, and it's not like I pay much tax because of my low earnings, so chances are they'd get the power trip if anything.

Ophiel · #12 10-24-2008, 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

People can get pretty high and mighty when they even suggest that "they pay all their taxes". Taxation and charity are always easy means for the self-righteous to feel superior to the small working slob.

What rot. People pay their taxes because it's illegal not to. Suggesting that they use it to feel self-righteous and superior is like saying people only refrain from murder to piss off murderers.

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

I think Rancheria is semi-retired and gets a military pension or something like that. He has a lot of free time on his hands to point accusations at people that he stalks on the internet.

One or two forums =/= stalking.

OrangeSapphire · #13 10-24-2008, 12:55 PM

I'm not pro-snitching but people who flaunt what they are dong are stupid as hell and it is a fact that Sophia practically straight up said, "I don't pay my taxes, how do you like me now?"

It's tough out there and what Sophia did was the equivalent of walking into the ghetto with your iphone on display and telling people how much money you've got in your wallet- you're gonna get jumped.

It's harsh but the more Sophia tries to defend himself though, the more I kind of do think Rancheria should send him to Rikers, maybe he'll learn to stop talking smack.

Ophiel · #14 10-24-2008, 12:58 PM

I don't actually know whether Sophia_ pays his taxes. I'd assumed that Ranch was just making a point, and made this thread in jest, but now that Soph's gone all paranoid and refused to actually say whether he pays his taxes or not, I'm kind of intriguéd.

OrangeSaph: can you link to where Soph said he wasn't going to pay up? I'm curious now.

dirtyplotte · #15 10-24-2008, 04:11 PM

i love answer three but i answered no. sophia being an asshole doesnt preclude the first playground rule NO RATS

Rancheria · #16 10-24-2008, 07:40 PM

I agree with DirtyPlotte about the first playground rule being, 'No Rats'. And I'm sure we both agree that she and I would be the first ones to alert the authorities if we ever became privy to something seriously dangerous that someone was doing to somebody. Then you have all the regular moral questions concerning common 'victimless' social stuff of whether it's right to inform on a person for 'herbal' drug-dealing, cheating on their taxes, not following environmental regs, or a whole list of stuff that is very common in our culture. A lot of the issues of whether a citizen should participate in any govt. regulatory activity by being a witness depends on the level of perceived danger and risk, if the witness does not blow the whistle. There is a huge gulf between the danger brought to light by whistleblower Erin Brockovich concerning Chromium 6 poisoning of a town by Pacific Gas and Electric, and the impact to our environmental health by our neighbor not fixing his failing septic system in his backyard, not close to a body of water. Sophia_ not paying his income taxes is pretty far down the urgency list. Sure, every little bit of income tax helps our country's financial health, but you have to put it in to perspective.

I've never ratted anybody out before, in my life. But there is just something about self-righteous pseudo spiritual hypocrites that would be fun and oddly satisfying for me to want to 'single out' ole Soph_,---if I were to try out whistleblowing for the first time. I would even promise to donate any informant money to Soph_'s specified favorite official charity. ( If Soph_ were contrite and co-operative, that would be an even more wonderful feeling in donating the IRS reward money to the charity ) That would make it more philanthropical and more worthwhile to society in general. Maybe it's nothing more than me wanting to act out on a Narcissist by having the govt. help him gain wisdom. We KR'ers don't seem to be able to help him gain wisdom. Maybe the Govt. will have more luck. But I agree, even though the informant website said, "There's No Shame in Ratting Out the Rats", I still don't like the idea of it. I must have been raised that way, to hate rats. However, seeing Sophy_, the professional victim, squirm around in the way he tries to justify and rationalise himself, as OrangeSapphire mentioned, it makes him look more like a tax cheating rat that should be exposed. It makes me want to download Form 211 and start filling it out. That's why I asked for KR input. Thanks.

Governmento · #17 10-24-2008, 08:07 PM

Some of the hooligans lobbied me to vote yes..! I got a free cup of coffee at the emporium today.. I'm waiting for the apple pie.. Well John McCain say's we should all get a peice of the Pie, and Obama is taxing our piece of the pie..!

Pay Your taxes Sophie

Major Mc Pain