Originally Posted by Manhattan

I don't mean to say he is where he is because he's black, but he will get into presidency because of it.
But the ends justify the means. I can't see McCain doing better.

Originally Posted by RomanNoseJob

Obama has been a hotly tipped political player for 3 years now, it's not such a sudden rise as you think.

Originally Posted by Partyrock

Hefty as in population ratio? Or as individual vote counting? Ratio is about 1:10. Individual is, yeah.. one vote from a black person is equal to one vote from a non-black person.

Originally Posted by Ophiel

I'd guess that black people are more likely to vote than white people. I might be wrong about that.

Originally Posted by Thumperlyn

I think they will be this run for sure.

Originally Posted by Partyrock

Hefty as in population ratio? Or as individual vote counting? Ratio is about 1:10. Individual is, yeah.. one vote from a black person is equal to one vote from a non-black person.



Wait.. what shows an underlying racism? Your conclusion is premise-less. Maybe your answers to my questions will clear it up for me. At the moment I'm not sure what "this" means in your statement here....

Originally Posted by Shredded Valentines

I would be called ignorantly racist if I said this publicly

Originally Posted by dirtyplotte

every other president before him got in because he was white and male. you know. ill just echo pablita in general.

Originally Posted by Manhattan

Okay, but it's still rabid stupidity. It's liberal stupidity this time but it's still stupidity. He may be good but the reason for him getting in wont' be his amazing policies or fantabulous conduct. It'll be because he's a black guy. And that's how it'll look in history. He will be a good leader and all that jazz but I don't see how anyone can say he's getting in for anything else (well, sure, there'll be a good %10 who do know what he's up to, but c'mon).

Originally Posted by Shredded Valentines

I would be called ignorantly racist if I said this publicly, but this is so true. The country has been entraced by the concept of having our first black president; thereby, a post-racial America. I understand Obama was a "politician" prior to being a senator, but he still only served as a senator for one year. He may have been a community organizer, but this hardly is a major asset on the resume to become president. A woman could never have been in his place - This is an indisputable fact. Many much more qualified women in the past have ran for president, but fruitlessly. Had he been a white man with a mere one year of experience as a senator, Hillary Clinton (with her immense resume and all) would have won without worry, but because Obama got the advantage of over ninety percent of the black vote everywhere he went, not to mention a media who glorified him, circumstantially this has proven otherwise.
Because of the stupid system in which technically are votes don't count, but instead the delegates', he got a major advantage in several southern states where the majority of Democrats were black. Democrats have never won the white vote, and minorities make up a very susbstantial number. If the country is too racist to elect a black man, then why did that prove to not be a problem almost the entire primary race? This changed after the pastor scandal, and the consequental heavy speculation that he, and especially his wife, were racists. Obama also had the vote of the richer Demorcrats (who are mostly white, I might add), and the many states that had caucused were pretty biased; Hillary's core voters are hard working, middle-class Americans who can't make it out to a very small caucus at 1 PM.
Despite the fucked system, the biased media, the racially biased against Hillary, and the sexism, Hillary managed to win the popular vote. She even won a primary the night Obama clenched the election. having had a lot of big successes towards the end. Everyone totally wrote her out after she WON Indiana, which was a state she never was supposed to have won, given it was his home state's neighbor among other reasons. She also managed to win states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Texas, in which he outspent her usually at least three to one in tv ads, with a decisive margin, too. I'm not trying to sound bitter, but she should be commended for running one of the most fiercely relentless campaigns in American history, and one of the best, in my opinion.
Seriously, though, what do you all make of this? How do you think this would have all played out had Obama been white? Do you think he will win in November?

Originally Posted by Ophiel

Who cares why someone gets in? Surely what they do when they get there is a lot more important to the nation and the world, even if the subconscious motives of one or another portion of the electorate is far more interesting to the swarms of tedious bloggers.

Originally Posted by Manhattan

Okay, but it's still rabid stupidity. It's liberal stupidity this time but it's still stupidity. He may be good but the reason for him getting in wont' be his amazing policies or fantabulous conduct. It'll be because he's a black guy. And that's how it'll look in history. He will be a good leader and all that jazz but I don't see how anyone can say he's getting in for anything else (well, sure, there'll be a good %10 who do know what he's up to, but c'mon).