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09-15-2008, 06:46 PM
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| | | Snopes in itself isn't, but they do better research than most news agencies a lot of the time.
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09-15-2008, 07:42 PM
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| | Could you please provide the source in which Obama admits to being a Muslim?
ETA: I just located my copy of The Audacity of Hope: Thoughts on Reclaiming the American Dream , in which talks about his faith at length. Has he recently converted? Quote:
Originally Posted by Dithyrambic  lol. a liberal website is not a credible source. | But a book that he wrote is. Quote:
Originally Posted by Dithyrambic not to mention, i think it is a non-issue anyway | Cover Story: Barack Obama's Christian Journey | Newsweek Politics: Campaign 2008 | Newsweek.com
Issue or non-issue, the fact remains that he is not a Muslim. Quote: |
Obama has spoken often and eloquently about the importance of religion in public life. But like many political leaders wary of offending potential backers, he has been less revealing about what he believes—about God, about prayer, about the connection between salvation and personal responsibility. In some respects, his reticence is understandable. Obama's religious biography is unconventional and politically problematic. Born to a Christian-turned-secular mother and a Muslim-turned-atheist African father, Obama grew up living all across the world with plenty of spiritual influences, but without any particular religion. He is now a Christian, having been baptized in the early 1990s at Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago. But rumors about Obama's religion persist. In the new NEWSWEEK Poll, 12 percent of voters incorrectly believe he's Muslim; more than a quarter believe he was raised in a Muslim home. | From his campaign site: Barack Obama and Joe Biden: The Change We Need |
MSNBC: Obama sets record straight on religion - Barack Obama News - MSNBC.com
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09-15-2008, 10:14 PM
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| | | he's hardly a Christian either...
but then :sigh: who is....
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09-15-2008, 11:32 PM
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Originally Posted by DoloresHaze I did not miss the point, I just had a moment where Marilyn's tragedy overwhelmed me. Such a pure creature, she was just light gone too soon. | |
09-15-2008, 11:34 PM
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| | | first of all, he has referred to his "muslim faith" in multiple interviews
second, i still don't see why it matters
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09-15-2008, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Dithyrambic first of all, he has referred to his "muslim faith" in multiple interviews | sources? because until you cite them, you're just making yourself look like a giant idiot.
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Originally Posted by DoloresHaze I did not miss the point, I just had a moment where Marilyn's tragedy overwhelmed me. Such a pure creature, she was just light gone too soon. | |
09-16-2008, 03:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Dithyrambic first of all, he has referred to his "muslim faith" in multiple interviews | show us. because Barack is a member of the United Church of Christ and refers to his Christian faith in multiple interviews.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Dithyrambic second, i still don't see why it matters | this statement makes me wish i could rep. i would totally give you greenies on that. even if he were muslim, it should not matter. what matters would be his ability to competently run this country. |
09-16-2008, 03:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomator! and don't forget that he's in league with William Whats his face, he removed the american flag from his jet, and he refuses to wear a lapel pin. oh, and all 6 of obama's sisters are admittedly muslim... even though he only has one sister.... | I don't suppose this has much to do with anything but flags are generally associated with international dealings. |
09-16-2008, 03:46 AM
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Originally Posted by creepyer I don't suppose this has much to do with anything but flags are generally associated with international dealings. | i suppose the flag might possibly be a semi-valid issue if it weren't for the fact that it was part of a logo for the commercial airline the plane was bought from. and he had another flag put on the plane anyhow.
(what no one wants to say though in that rumour is that McCain doesn't have a flag on his plane either.  ) |
09-16-2008, 03:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomator! i suppose the flag might possibly be a semi-valid issue if it weren't for the fact that it was part of a logo for the commercial airline the plane was bought from. and he had another flag put on the plane anyhow.
(what no one wants to say though in that rumour is that McCain doesn't have a flag on his plane either. ) | As if his plane needs symbols of patriotism on it. |
09-16-2008, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by creepyer As if his plane needs symbols of patriotism on it. | agreed. i don't get it either. like adorning yourself/your property with flags is going to make one more patriotic or a better person? blah. |
09-16-2008, 05:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Tomator! agreed. i don't get it either. like adorning yourself/your property with flags is going to make one more patriotic or a better person? blah. | Honestly though, if you're going to fly a flag it should be appropriate to the occasion, like this one;  |
09-16-2008, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Dithyrambic first of all, he has referred to his "muslim faith" in multiple interviews
second, i still don't see why it matters |
It didn't matter until you started making claims about Obama's religion that you can't later support with any factual evidence. You're right that it doesn't matter. So why are you so rigorously sticking to your guns? If he'd said it in one interview, chances are a quick Google would be enough to find us a link. If, as you say, he's referred to his "Muslim faith" in multiple interviews, then even better, right?
Frankly, yes, it does matter, because you've made it matter. I wouldn't care if he was Muslim or not, but that doesn't change the fact that he either is or isn't. I'm pretty sure you're just trying to make his supporters out as being obsessed with his religion, but it's not really going to work, is it.
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09-16-2008, 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by creepyer Honestly though, if you're going to fly a flag it should be appropriate to the occasion, like this one; | AAARRRG! FER TEH BUSH ADMINISTRATION! | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes |  Linear Mode | 
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