lol forever if this list is true. we should ban this bitch instead.

Yeah, seriously, read the McCain nut's argument. It actually makes sense.

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One of the Harry Potter books wasn't out till two years after this reportedly happened. The list is a lie. What appears to have happened is this:

Palin asked the city librarian how she'd react if Palin wanted to pull some books from the library. The librarian refused. The librarian was NOT fired (another rumor). Mary Ellen, the librarian, actually resigned around Palin's second term.

So yeah.. just another smear. The letter, as reportedly said by the Palin camp back then, was just a test of loyalty er some wierd shit like that.

Anyway.. here's an article that seems to have a bit more information.

Palin asked Wasilla librarian about censoring books - BostonHerald.com

And that's better because...? Why would Palin "test" her reaction in this way, if she didn't support the banning of books from public libraries? Why would she be seeking "loyalty" from a fucking librarian?

Hate to say this, but even if this happened exactly as you've described, no worse, no better, Palin still sounds like a bit of a cock.

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I didn't imply anything is better or worse above. What I simply posted was a clarification of the actual events. Lies kind of get on my nerves is all. Dunno, maybe it's just me.

However I disagree with you. Banning all these books and firing the librarian would be worse than sending a letter to test a librarians loyalty in some weird mind game.

I'm waiting to hear more information on the topic. I don't know what this "test" was all about.. or what this letter contained. Not going to judge the situation until I know all sides of the story.

So you won't judge based on incomplete information, but you will condemn anyone who doesn't trust the information that you've decided is okay?

But OK, can we agree that, regardless of whether it's better or worse, playing shitty mind games with someone over book-banning is a shitty cunty thing to do and seriously unbecoming of a potential vice president? I mean, regardless of whether someone is lying about other details of this, the incident in itself should be enough to make it clear that this is not someone we want as second in command of the world's only superpower, yes?

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Exactly.

Yeah, if I was a Mayor, I'd rather the librarian stood up against censorship than kowtowed to me. If anything, I'd test them the other way around - get rid of the one who knucked under.

Lies, however, bother me also, so I'd rather the real story, whatever it is, be out there.

The news and opinion articles linked on the page link include: a piece titled "Sarah Palin’s rousing speech a win for working moms," which is a story about how working mothers should all quit and another which lists reasons the evil democrats evilly don't like her, including that her son is in the army (Joe Biden's son is being deployed to Iraq in a month) and that she wears glasses rather than having had lasic. I haven't even worn contact lenses in over a decade.

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Yeah, there's something else on that site that's a bit fishy:


Apparently the new Republican thing is to use the word "Community" a lot in relation to Obama. I think the idea is that people will get bored before they finish reading it and assume it says COMMUNIST.

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Apparently it's also evil to register people to vote. If you're a Democrat.

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LOOK AT HIM HE'S SMOKING A CIGARETTE AND JOHN MCCAIN IS CLEARLY ONLY 17.

Dirty blix.

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I really don't like Palin at all.

I feel like if I met her we would "clash."

You don't have to read the whole thing...I didn't type it.


Looks like the lipstick wearing pit bull proved herself to be just like the typical politico types she slammed!

She's a liar and exaggerator!

The Associated Press closely watched Governor Sarah Palin, the GOP's VP pick, at last night's RNC convention and has outlined the many ways she exaggerated and lied.

Right or Left, a lie is a lie. It doesn't matter where on the political spectrum you are, right?

These are not 'personal' digs, mind you.

She's lying on the 'professional' stage, y'all.

Check out Pinocchio Palin's claims and the truth:

PALIN: "I have protected the taxpayers by vetoing wasteful spending … and championed reform to end the abuses of earmark spending by Congress. I told the Congress 'thanks but no thanks' for that Bridge to Nowhere."

THE FACTS: As mayor of Wasilla, Palin hired a lobbyist and traveled to Washington annually to support earmarks for the town totaling $27 million. In her two years as governor, Alaska has requested nearly $750 million in special federal spending, by far the largest per-capita request in the nation. While Palin notes she rejected plans to build a $398 million bridge from Ketchikan to an island with 50 residents and an airport, that opposition came only after the plan was ridiculed nationally as a "bridge to nowhere."

PALIN: "There is much to like and admire about our opponent. But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or reform — not even in the state senate."

THE FACTS: Compared to McCain and his two decades in the Senate, Obama does have a more meager record. But he has worked with Republicans to pass legislation that expanded efforts to intercept illegal shipments of weapons of mass destruction and to help destroy conventional weapons stockpiles. The legislation became law last year. To demean that accomplishment would be to also demean the work of Republican Sen. Richard Lugar of Indiana, a respected foreign policy voice in the Senate. In Illinois, he was the leader on two big, contentious measures in Illinois: studying racial profiling by police and requiring recordings of interrogations in potential death penalty cases. He also successfully co-sponsored major ethics reform legislation.

PALIN: "The Democratic nominee for president supports plans to raise income taxes, raise payroll taxes, raise investment income taxes, raise the death tax, raise business taxes, and increase the tax burden on the American people by hundreds of billions of dollars."

THE FACTS: The Tax Policy Center, a think tank run jointly by the Brookings Institution and the Urban Institute, concluded that Obama's plan would increase after-tax income for middle-income taxpayers by about 5 percent by 2012, or nearly $2,200 annually. McCain's plan, which cuts taxes across all income levels, would raise after tax-income for middle-income taxpayers by 3 percent, the center concluded.

Obama would provide $80 billion in tax breaks, mainly for poor workers and the elderly, including tripling the Earned Income Tax Credit for minimum-wage workers and higher credits for larger families.

He also would raise income taxes, capital gains and dividend taxes on the wealthiest. He would raise payroll taxes on taxpayers with incomes above $250,000, and he would raise corporate taxes. Small businesses that make more than $250,000 a year would see taxes rise.

The AP report also showed how Palin's champions have exaggerated the Alaskan governor's 'acheivements':

MCCAIN: "She's been governor of our largest state, in charge of 20 percent of America's energy supply … She's responsible for 20 percent of the nation's energy supply. I'm entertained by the comparison and I hope we can keep making that comparison that running a political campaign is somehow comparable to being the executive of the largest state in America," he said in an interview with ABC News' Charles Gibson.

THE FACTS: McCain's phrasing exaggerates both claims. Palin is governor of a state that ranks second nationally in crude oil production, but she's no more "responsible" for that resource than President Bush was when he was governor of Texas, another oil-producing state. In fact, her primary power is the ability to tax oil, which she did in concert with the Alaska Legislature. And where Alaska is the largest state in America, McCain could as easily have called it the 47th largest state — by population.

MCCAIN: "She's the commander of the Alaska National Guard. … She has been in charge, and she has had national security as one of her primary responsibilities," he said on ABC.

THE FACTS: While governors are in charge of their state guard units, that authority ends whenever those units are called to actual military service. When guard units are deployed to Iraq or Afghanistan, for example, they assume those duties under "federal status," which means they report to the Defense Department, not their governors. Alaska's national guard units have a total of about 4,200 personnel, among the smallest of state guard organizations.

FORMER ARKANSAS GOV. MIKE HUCKABEE: Palin "got more votes running for mayor of Wasilla, Alaska than Joe Biden got running for president of the United States."

THE FACTS: A whopper. Palin got 616 votes in the 1996 mayor's election, and got 909 in her 1999 re-election race, for a total of 1,525. Biden dropped out of the race after the Iowa caucuses, but he still got 76,165 votes in 23 states and the District of Columbia where he was on the ballot during the 2008 presidential primaries.

FORMER MASSACHUSETTS GOV. MITT ROMNEY: "We need change, all right — change from a liberal Washington to a conservative Washington! We have a prescription for every American who wants change in Washington — throw out the big-government liberals, and elect John McCain and Sarah Palin."

THE FACTS: A Back-to-the-Future moment. George W. Bush, a conservative Republican, has been president for nearly eight years. And until last year, Republicans controlled Congress. Only since January 2007 have Democrats have been in charge of the House and Senate.

Wait.... whut? When was this?

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You know. It was for the same reason that I cautioned kr that I was asking the person I received the list from to check her sources.
To have such a relatively unknown person chosen as our country's potential vice president means we will be raking through a lot of information trying to figure out what is true and what is not. It's part of the process I feel inclined to take part in.

Anyway, here is the same article, expanded. My cousin sent it to me so I came here to share it in case anyone's interested:
Palin pressured Wasilla librarian: Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

Sarah Palin is a bully.
Mary Ellen Baker for VP.

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McCain ahead in national polls; Obama up in electoral votes - CNN.com

I hope this isn't the "turning point". I'm so fucking sick of conservatives in general. And why is it that "conservatives" (read: right wing pricks) are the ones who are always so fiscally reckless?

In Canada we presently have our very own prototypical Republican (probably the most right-wing Prime Minister in our history). A Conservative vile pig - Stephen Harper- who just went against his own legislation (fixed election dates) to call a snap election for no better reason than he thinks he can win right now. Also, he couldn't risk waiting after (if) Obama wins, because that would energize the Liberal Party in Canada.

I still think Hillary would have been more of a sure thing for the Democrats, because a lot of people vote based on the perceived *strength* (and not just charisma) of the candidate moreso than the platform. Obama needed a few more years to make himself a real political force and a POLITICO household name.

Take Stephane Dion (Canada's Liberal leader) as an example...more Canadians would agree with his platform, but because he's not seen as "strong" as Harper, he's down in the polls.