"Our way of Life"

Sophia_ · #1 06-11-2008, 03:49 PM

What exactly does this mean to you?

Protecting this is President Bush's primary focus and the reason for invading Iraq. I'm just curious what it means exactly?

After his administration's efforts in ignoring or diminishing our constitutional guarantees I'm just confused what this WAY is? Since this seems to be "the Western Way" I think KR members from other Western NAtions could give a shot at what they think is the American WAY.

*cherry bomb* · #2 06-11-2008, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Sophia_

What exactly does this mean to you?

Protecting this is President Bush's primary focus and the reason for invading Iraq. I'm just curious what it means exactly?

After his administration's efforts in ignoring or diminishing our constitutional guarantees I'm just confused what this WAY is? Since this seems to be "the Western Way" I think KR members from other Western NAtions could give a shot at what they think is the American WAY.

our (meaning the u.s., where i live) way of life is to ignore the panhandlers, ignore the mentally ill peple who live in your neighbourhood.

not really off topic, as overpopulation will probably kill us all.

when it's hot out, we turn on the a/c, without wondering what the homeless are doing for relief.

kids should be given condoms for free, even if they aren't using them, so they know what's going on, and to have some ready if needed.

*cherry bomb* · #3 06-11-2008, 08:59 PM

as for what bush says, he is an embarressment to the human race.

Sophia_ · #4 06-12-2008, 03:35 PM

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as for what bush says, he is an embarressment to the human race.

Remember though, GW Bush is the current face of America-- a shadow face, in my opinion. The Middle Eastern world didn't support Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton's vision. Israel has placed "little kids behind prison doors"* and "doesn't want to talk about it"**.

* from Iris Dement's song "Wasteland of the Free"
** a common attitude of sociopathic thinking

We can put our sociopath face on, or we can put our hand out in peace; let the world choose, but we will be what we will be, regardless , for we were born free to choose. What will the world choose us to be ? Or will we decide individually for ourselves?

I care. And I am not the only one.

/rant

Ophiel · #5 06-12-2008, 03:47 PM

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Remember though, GW Bush is the current face of America-- a shadow face, in my opinion.

He isn't, but what he represents is. Most nations aren't stupid enough to think that a country's leader speaks for that country, but the fact that he/she is in office is indicative of the state of the nation when they got there. In Bush's case, he's in power because America is a nation with a largely apathetic electorate that allows itself to be dictated to by extremists.

Thumperlyn · #6 06-12-2008, 03:50 PM

today Prez mentioned the severe weather in the midwest (people have died and stuff, in case you were unawares), and mentioned the deadly "tor-nay-duhs" causing devestation.....

And this was in Euope. Off representing our country in the world, saying words like tornayduhs

*cherry bomb* · #7 06-12-2008, 03:59 PM

that video moved me to tears. thanks, Sopia, for turning me on to Iris Dement.

Sophia_ · #8 06-12-2008, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ophiel

He isn't, but what he represents is. Most nations aren't stupid enough to think that a country's leader speaks for that country, but the fact that he/she is in office is indicative of the state of the nation when they got there. In Bush's case, he's in power because America is a nation with a largely apathetic electorate that allows itself to be dictated to by extremists.

While the feminists are fighting over what they believe to be an entitlement for white women, McCain is moving closer to extend the current American oligarchy. Don't be surprised to see 4 more years of the status quo in Washington.

More important than the candidates are the advisors behind the scenes. Remember Hilary was a strong voice for the invasion of Iraq-- and Bill Clinton is more than capable of lying to the American public.

911 fraud?

Hilary argues for war.

Ophiel · #9 06-12-2008, 07:20 PM

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While the feminists are fighting over what they believe to be an entitlement for white women, McCain is moving closer to extend the current American oligarchy. Don't be surprised to see 4 more years of the status quo in Washington.

I really hope not. I don't think it's fair to blame "feminists", because seriously, those who believe in voting Hillary or bust have precisely fuck all to do with feminism. You'll see it in the obama thread on this subform; it's a vociferous minority that believes this crap, and I'm hoping they won't gain any support. Really, it should be impossible for the Demmys to lose this election, but I wouldn't put it past them either.

Don't get me wrong though: I don't see Obama as any great threat to the status quo. I'm just hoping that he'll help push a few things through that are practically there but could easily go the other way.

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More important than the candidates are the advisors behind the scenes. Remember Hilary was a strong voice for the invasion of Iraq-- and Bill Clinton is more than capable of lying to the American public.

I can't believe you're bringing up Clinton's indiscretion in this context, but realistically, Hillary couldn't be anti-Iraq in the same way that anyone else could. People will always associate her with Hubby, and it wouldn't look so hot for her to be against defying the UN to go to war against a country that didn't really do anything to you after the whole Balkans thing.

But yeah, the advisors are the thing. Watch Yes Minister if you want to see how it works. I'm guessing it's similar to US politics - a person is elected to a position, to find that those who aren't elected but "come with the job" are fine with him doing what he wants as long as he doesn't want to do x, y and z thing.

Sophia_ · #10 06-12-2008, 10:37 PM

My wife makes sandwiches to earn her part of our living.

Ophiel · #11 06-14-2008, 05:21 AM

Your wife works for you?

Sophia_ · #12 06-15-2008, 04:42 PM

Ophiel · #13 06-15-2008, 04:54 PM

So your wife makes sandwiches and in return you give her an allowance?

Sophia_ · #14 06-15-2008, 04:58 PM

My father signed up for military service at age 17 and was a medic in WWII. He died from cancer caused by radiation exposure from the cleanup of Hiroshima. The veterans administration denied his claim, saying radiation was not responsible for his cancer.

My father-in-law put in 30 years in the US Navy and was a high level administrator for the veteran's administration.

There are many monuments around the US named after family members, many from leaders and heros of past wars.

I am against war, especially corporate wars. Does this make me a potential terrorist, or an informed pacifist?

Ophiel · #15 06-15-2008, 05:07 PM

So what if she stopped making sandwiches? Would you withhold her allowance?

Sophia_ · #16 06-15-2008, 06:28 PM

I know you enjoy the pleasure of putting me down. My wife and my children are very independent and I don't give orders or allowance. My daughter has worked since she was 16. My wife went to high school and beauty college at the same time, and now works in a deli. She bought herself a small house on her own a year before I met her. She left everything to move to California where we lived together for 6 months before getting married. We've never made much money compared to others in the areas we've lived. One year we had 7 jobs between all of us in this humble four member family(I had three). My wife has never had to live up to any of my expectations or demands; she's the kind of woman I respect: independent, happy, thrifty, courageous, hard-working, compassionate, and not the kind that would be dependent on parents or husband. My daughter is of the same breed.

My son is a mountain-biker and a mechanic. He's won the past three expert division races and lives on his own. He has little unrealistic fear and never expects any handouts or subsidies from his parents. On his webpage he says his parents are his heros. Allowances and subsidy make kids and spouses dependent; the clue to this is addictions. We've tried to support our kids with love and respect; their lives are their own to create and direct.

I hope your parents have given you the gift of independence.

Rancheria · #17 06-16-2008, 05:45 AM

Your wife is also the kind of woman I respect. Your description of her and her 'breed' is a very similar high caliber one to the ideals of 98 years of moral development of young Girl Guides. Lord Robert Baden- Powell, the Girl Guides founder, would be proud of her too. I'm sure your wife does more than "one good turn" a day, for some deserving person as well as for her own family, without being asked, as the Guides and Scouting program call for.

In your list of honourable traits your wife possesses, the only one that she seems to be a little light on, would be in the independent category. Working for near minimum wage in a deli in the very high cost of living economy of Santa Cruz would definitely make anyone dependent on other incomes in her household to survive. This is even more true for her situation as a co-owner of a home in our high priced area. And I would think the same could be said about your economic dependence on your wife's sandwich making. Your children, especially your son R., may be more economically independent than their folks, since their expenses would more than likely be a lot lower than yours, and they are not married and dependent on a spouse to earn his/her part of 'our living' to pay all the bills and a mortgage.

Have you considered going the section 8 housing landlord route this year to help make ends meet ? Of course that entails some amount of dependency on the government housing funds to provide you with the low income person's rent for the spare bedroom. In Santa Cruz a person can't afford to let a spare bedroom sit idle. With the level of compassion being so high in your home, combined with the serious demand for low income housing, along with all the hoops you had to jump through to qualify for the section 8 landlord program, it would seem like the wise, happy, thrifty, compassionate thing to do.

Finally, one question for you: when you say, "my wife has never had to live up to any of my expectations or demands.", that doesn't make any sense to me. There have been too many examples you've given that make me raise an eyebrow to this statement.

What do you mean by: "My wife has never had to LIVE UP to any of my expectations or demands." ?

Either you believe that you don't have any expectations or demands for your wife, or else you've forgotten about such topics as: expecting her to accept your spiritual wife, pressuring your wife in to accepting in to her home, last summer's section 8 housing tenant against her wishes, expecting her to not leave your marriage when the going with you got tough, expecting her to understand why you were banned from Noble Dreams.co.uk/, expecting her to understand why you kept her in the dark about Jackalopes, expecting her to understand why you kissed the mystery woman on the lips and didn't appear to 'remember' doing so--to the extent that she demanded you kiss her in the exact same way to show her how you kissed the other woman (my attempt at comic relief here, in case your Jackalope syndrome reference wasn't funny), and of course in the same thread about you getting in trouble for not mentioning to your wife this kissing of the woman on the lips episode, --expecting your wife to not demand or expect that you have to tell her 'everything' (like your example of not feeling that you had to tell your wife if you did number 1 or number 2 in the potty), etc.,, etc., etc.

There's quite a few expectations here; hopefully I'm not projecting too big of a shadow on all this, nor misperceiving your postings of all this picaresque domestic life material of peace and tranquility and freedom from expectations and demands.

Do you expect your wife and family to not be concerned with your ego and narcissism issues as you expect us to not be ? Have you ever considered that your wife may have any tendencies to show inverted narcissistic predispositions to be able to cope with your narcissism for so many years ?? It's apparently a not uncommon dynamic for a partner of a narcissist. The fact that you stated that her soul was "piggybacking" on your soul as you were gaining wisdom, and thus she was gaining wisdom for herself, thanks to your carrying soul, made me wonder about the inverted narcissism potential here. I guess the image of one soul piggybacking on the other, sort of threw me in to another eyebrow raising wonder.

But then, you are full of wonder, and I wonder if you will answer any of these questions, or just simply dummy up and laugh about the jackalope, or give us another YouTube link to watch.