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she might be the shining example of those "liberal" white people who say they arent racist, but everything about them screams FUCKING RACIST
I don’t know that she ever was considered that, honestly. These were things I didn’t quite grasp in 1984, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Mondale carefully selected a woman who also somewhat demographically fit the white working class pattern (although if that was it, he didn’t go a very good job, because I’d imagine a large part of the country looks no farther than ‘from New York,’ and probably also ‘ethnic,’ although Italians are a large part of the NYC white working class. It could have worked locally, but not really nationally). I think her congressional district included Archie Bunker’s neighborhood.
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thats nice. he's so charismatic. I remember chanel surfing onto his state senate win speach 3 years ago and even then i felt something about this guy. I was supporting Hillary. John Mcbush looks like a corpse, i think he's completly bald now or something. he's just so old. Silvia Brown predicts Obama as the new president long before the nomination process ended
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quite frankly the clintons can accomplish a lot more with a higher level of freedom to do as they please with presidential support and her a senator than they can with her being VP.
totally. i really, really don't see her in the vp position at all. she'd be second besting herself.

can someone quickly tell me what obama's stance is on the environment? all i ever hear anyone talk about is the war. and his exit stragety is so lol worthy i can't handle it. not going to happen buddy.
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I've been for Hillary since before I'd even heard of some young upstart called Barack Obama, but I wish him the best of luck.

US elections: Jimmy Carter tells Barack Obama not to pick Hillary Clinton as running mate | World news | guardian.co.uk

Carter thinks an Obama/Clinton ticket now would be far too negative, but I can't help thinking it might be the best way to unite the party and ensure the best possible result. I'll admit there is a lot of negative Hillary shit out there, and I'd agree that it seems going from being adversaries to running mates does smack of opportunism, but it is opportunism on both parts, and it is opportunism that ensures the maximum Democrat vote.
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i think the whole dream ticket thing would've been a great idea -- three months ago.

putting them together wouldn't bring the democratic party together at all. it'd just tear them down & give the republicans the right ammo they need to take this home.

just an outsiders POV.

personally, i'm done with this whole thing. i'm not really one for choosing the lesser of two evils like most people who do the politics thing are. & i've never been sworn in to be either a democrat or a republican so i could honestly care less what happens to either/or's party & which one takes office, seeing as they're both bad jokes.

in any case, i doubt i'll vote in november. not to join the hillraiser parade or anything. just so there's no drama. so may the least shittiest man win.
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i think thats bullshit. look, i dont like her. everyone knows i dont like her. but i think that she wasz soaking up the last few moments of what she so BADLY wanted. a victory. it must feel comforting to have so many pewople shouting for you and still vying for you when all the chips are down. i think thats why she let it happen. and she's already said that she will do anything to help her party win and i believe that she wants whats best for the country more than whats best for her ego.

and people who think that fighting a fierce battle and then pairing with your opponent to fight the bigger battle is weak, youre totally fucked in the head.
couldn't agree more

plus, I think a joint ticket would be a big fuck you to everyone who wants to see either of them fail.
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totally. i really, really don't see her in the vp position at all. she'd be second besting herself.

can someone quickly tell me what obama's stance is on the environment? all i ever hear anyone talk about is the war. and his exit stragety is so lol worthy i can't handle it. not going to happen buddy.
here's an outline of his stance on climate change...

Climate Change - Presidential Candidates on the Issues - Election Guide 2008 - Issues - The New York Times
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thank you! this is really handy. but furthering my disappointment.
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its racist not to like obama coz he's black, yet half the people are voting him out of PC'ness because he is black?

I think he's a fucking cunt typical man and his pro-israel stance makes me want to anthrax his expresso.
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thank you, ruth.

& anything can beat the environmental shit al gore keeps fucking up now. those mercury-filled light bulbs? that corn ethanol gas?

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its racist not to like obama coz he's black, yet half the people are voting him out of PC'ness because he is black?
no shit right. what does it mean to be black anyway? bc his daddy is from kenya? he wasn't even raised by his dad, he was raised by his white family. which explains why he's about as black as tiger woods. where's al sharpton?

i mean. i know bc i'm a mixed breed i should feel something or whatever. but obama claiming black is like me claiming mexican. i'm a damn half breed and i know it.

and i'm really tired of hearing about jfk in relation to obama. jfk didn't do shit. he was reluctant to vote for civil rights bc of his white, southern supporters.

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well that's actually more the route i wanted to go with during my shittadelic stay in the politics forum.

halfbreeds aren't really any more special than the real ones. if i actually staked claim to all my mixez then i'd join the latin kings, smoke a lot of weed & rap over reggae beats, &.. do whatever faggy french people do in their free time.

i'm pretty much living proof that there are more shittier things to be mixed with than just blk&wht, so i really feel no sympathy for obama when he goes on his little "well my'sa ~*white*~ grandma was'a racist" pips. coz lets just be honest here; if you're mixed, chances are your grandmother's are racist, & you've been a victim of some kind of racism in your life. it's not that shocking of a concept.

but w/e. i guess it counts. but from what i've seen, people of sOmE KiNd oF colOR have chosen not to vote for obama because he's actually too 'white' & has proved nothing for true civil rights movements other than moving up in a 'white man's world' by tapping in to the 'white man's wants/needs'.

a sell out, basically.

& you would think they'd know, guys. not some white people sitting around being all like "you know what, i'm not going to be a dick today & vote for obama because i'm not a racist & i love blk people."

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i mean. i know bc i'm a mixed breed i should feel something or whatever. but obama claiming black is like me claiming mexican. i'm a damn half breed and i know it.

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it's not obama claiming black. it's people not voting for him bc he's black. (see north carolina). and he was forced to talk about some race stuff because people kept forcing the issue. before a few months ago, his stance was 'race is irrelevant, and it should remain that way.'
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I know a lot of people were pissed off by Clinton's tactics, but it does seem she was preparing Obama for the Republican onslaught...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/05/us...s/05rezko.html

'Minutes after the verdict was announced, the Republican National Committee began circulating an e-mail message titled “Rezko: Obama’s Longtime Friend and Money Man” that sought to link the two over a 20-year period. The committee also posted a Web site and a video.'

Are there any more 'skeletons' in Obama's closet? Will Wright be brought up again? What about drugs?
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lol @ people whining about the black thing...esp if they aren't from the united states. this is the country that came up with the "one drop" rule so it really doesn't fucking matter that he's a "half breed" or if he has attempt to define himself as anything else. tiger woods never defined himself as black as far as I can remember, yet you will see countless articles referring to him as such. god bless america, and shit.
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it's not obama claiming black. it's people not voting for him bc he's black. (see north carolina). and he was forced to talk about some race stuff because people kept forcing the issue. before a few months ago, his stance was 'race is irrelevant, and it should remain that way.'
yeah, other than that one (really great) speech he made after the whole wright contraversy made it necessary, i actually haven't heard obama mention his race. i have however noticed the sean hannity & bill o'reilly never seem to stfu about it.
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, i actually haven't heard obama mention his race. i have however noticed the sean hannity & bill o'reilly never seem to stfu about it.
How much Fox do you watch, Lily?
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