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Clinton can get impeached for lying to the public about a personal matter, but we haven't impeached Bush for continually fucking up? I dont really understand why we have let things get this bad?
I don't know, I've thought that myself. But just think, the American people voted him into office not ONCE, but TWICE?! How stupid can people be and not see what a compelete idiot this guy is!
I don't know, I've thought that myself. But just think, the American people voted him into office not ONCE, but TWICE?! How stupid can people be and not see what a compelete idiot this guy is!
To quote Margaret Cho.. I see the red states on the voting map. Now I know where the stupid people are.
I don't know, I've thought that myself. But just think, the American people voted him into office not ONCE, but TWICE?! How stupid can people be and not see what a compelete idiot this guy is!
But the 2000 elections were stolen right? with all that shady business in Florida?...
I dunno. but I guess they realize he's an idiot because his approval is like 20%. loads of americans hate him
Why would the government impeach itself?
More money, less work?
You see, as the prices rise the government collects more taxes on sales and such. I don't know about gas taxes but it's more for less as far as the government is concerned.
Good question, actually. There are many articles, books, and videos that one can pursue if one wants to self-educate themselves. This question is rather profound in many ways because it shows how "life is seldom what it appears to be".
Most people don't waste the time to investigate behind the illusions, therefore, self-education is a path only for those who really want answers to profound questions. The majority prefer to live in the dark and follow the herd. There is nothing wrong with that-- most people have been living out their lives this way for eternity. Drugs and alcohol become the easy solution for disenchantment. The truth will set one free.
"One is what one supports"
~~carefulcarpenter
I am a KR freak.
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Clinton can get impeached for lying to the public about a personal matter, but we haven't impeached Bush for continually fucking up? I dont really understand why we have let things get this bad?
I guess because Clinton was intelligent and thus was seen as lying, whereas Bush presented a public image of profound stupidity, so there's always been some doubt as to whether he was lying or retarded. It's the same reason our PM dodged the bullet - we could only proved that he was either a liar or an incompetent, and apparently you can only be impeached for one or the other.
Clinton can get impeached for lying to the public about a personal matter, but we haven't impeached Bush for continually fucking up? I dont really understand why we have let things get this bad?
You can't impeach a president just because you don't like him. Clinton was impeached because he committed perjury in front of a grand jury. He is the only person I know who has done that and did not end up in prison for it.
The House of Representatives impeached him and the Senate did not convict him. Had the senate convicted him his sleazy ass would have been thrown out on the streets.
He was not impeached for lying to the public. He was impeached for lying to a grand jury.
the real reason is that impeachment is a complicated, highly tedious, and drawn out process that's mostly based in partisanism. and simply put, democrats are too weak to push impeachment, and republicans are too united and would have unilaterally banded in support of Bush (even if they really weren't supporting him or fans of him, hell, even if they were in opposition to him, they'd still not want him impeached). and futhermore, there is not a clear-cut and glaring violation on his record that is nationally recognized outside of partisan lines. i'm sure democrats could point to a number of his "impeachable" offenses, but republicans could rally back with explainations.
in the Clinton case he got caught red handed and infront of a national audience, and even the democrats couldn't find any legal or political justification for his actions (outside of the "what you do on your personal time is your own problem" defense, which really only justifies the act, not the lying about it). with Bush, these "fuckups" are not clear lines in the sand, finding him directaly responsible or guilty for many of his faults is impossible.
finally, i don't personally think he's even deserving of impeachment. i think the Bush agenda and political regieme (inside and outside of the governement) is rather ignorant, stubborn, uninformed, and proudly so; this is not the right direction for the counry or the public. BUT, just because i disagree, i don't have the right to impeach him. in many ways i think Bush is an unfair firegurehead and scapegoat for alot of problems with American government under any president (lying/manipulating information, pork barrel spending, unconstitional and immoral private sector contracts and relationships, an inefficent and untrained house and senate, too much red tape, underfunded and poorly directed agencies like FEMA, etc). furthermore, the econmic problems are not wholly his fault, and much of these things would have happened to ANY president.
Kerry and Gore would have had to deal with 9/11, Katrina, a crumbling economy in a world we pushed to globalize and now have to compete with, bad mortgages and loans put out by greedy banks, and inefficent congress and house, underfunded and poorly directed government agencies, etc.
and i don't know that Kerry or Gore would have done that much better (though imho, i think two terms of Gore would have been our best bet).
people who blame Bush for all these wrongdoings, are just as ignorant and intellectually lazy as those who always have/always will support him. they both suffer from the same problem; failing to see the larger picture, their sociopolitical predispositions just took them to different ends of the political spectrum.
and if i could put all this on a bumper sticker, i fucking would. but sadly, it can't be consolidated as easily as "IMPEACH BUSH!"
