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05-18-2008, 01:22 AM
|  | ZTedster | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: herding cats
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Originally Posted by ThePrude  wow..."judicial fascism"
so, it there were a particular State wherein 67% of the population supported something like taking away the vote from women, or reinstatement of slavery for non-caucasians, and judges ruled that these "movements" weren't constitutional, and voted against them, they should be equated to Nazis?
Your approach seems to be: "ignore something that makes me feel uncomfortable, and hopefully it will cease to exist".
Get your head out of the sand. | Your moral relevance doesn't apply here. Shake off the pavlovian training, clear your mind, actually think, and come up with a real argument. |
05-18-2008, 01:23 AM
| | ZTedster | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: herding cats
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Originally Posted by bort Don't worry, they'll make it compulsory soon. You clearly spend so much time thinking about it that this should come as a relief to you. | I only think of it when they throw their shit in my face. |
05-18-2008, 01:27 AM
| | ZTedster | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: herding cats
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Originally Posted by Champers I'd like to know how it would work if a same-sex couple wanted to emigrate from Europe, but one of the couple is already a U.S. citizen - would the other partner be afforded the same consideration as a heterosexual applying for residency on the basis of marriage? Would the other partner eventually be able to acquire U.S citizenship? | Try an immigration lawyer for sodomist couple advice. Here is one I highly recommend: 1-800-STA-AWAY. |
05-18-2008, 01:39 AM
|  | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by ZT3dster I only think of it when they throw their shit in my face. | To whit? How is this in your face? You need play no part in a gay marriage, if you choose not to. The happy couples would probably prefer it that way, to be honest. They may not even hold you down and - quite legally - rape you, although it's unlikely. Well, it's unlikely in California.
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05-18-2008, 02:10 PM
|  | like you anymore | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto
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Originally Posted by ZT3dster Your moral relevance doesn't apply here. Shake off the pavlovian training, clear your mind, actually think, and come up with a real argument. | moral relevance? NO. More like MORAL COURAGE.
As for "pavlovian conditioning", maybe you should look into yourself first, and your reasoning for being against equality.
What's your "real" argument?: "Ew that's gross"!?!? "Mommy and Daddy make it go away"!?!? |
05-18-2008, 03:46 PM
|  | a promise with a catch | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: golden gated
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| | | i'm not gonna lie, i cried a teeny bit when i found out.
i feel so proud to be a californian, and it makes me so excited to graduate from law school, so i can take this issue on and make equal rights/civil liberties (specifically glbt law) it my personal and professional goal.
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05-18-2008, 03:56 PM
|  | the blood is thicker | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Germany
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i think it's a step forward.
also orchestral: 
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is that a really nice german way of saying shut up? |
05-19-2008, 10:59 AM
|  | old gregg? | | Join Date: Oct 2007
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| | | What does a blue rep mean? |
05-19-2008, 12:51 PM
|  | whirling dervisher | | Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Spin me
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Originally Posted by dollie_midget What does a blue rep mean? | It means someone with no political power loves you.
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05-19-2008, 04:24 PM
|  | Silvine | | Join Date: May 2006 Location: lol
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Originally Posted by ZT3dster To name just a couple places off the top of my head, all you need do is look at France to see where this is headed. | As an aside, neither France nor most of the rest of Europe permits same-sex marriage. Quote: |
Originally Posted by orchestral i feel so proud to be a californian, and it makes me so excited to graduate from law school, so i can take this issue on and make equal rights/civil liberties (specifically glbt law) it my personal and professional goal. | Oh dear Lord  |
05-19-2008, 09:54 PM
| | Registered Member | | Join Date: Apr 2006
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| | | ZT3dster have you ever thought about moving to Italy and joining Alessandra Mussolini's fascist party?
She hates leftists and "faggots" so I think you'd fight right in with her. |
05-20-2008, 05:33 AM
| | Phil Goff | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Westport, New Zealand
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Originally Posted by Notus ZT3dster have you ever thought about moving to Italy and joining Alessandra Mussolini's fascist party?
She hates leftists and "faggots" so I think you'd fight right in with her. | He's in the Lord's army, yes sir!
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05-29-2008, 07:35 PM
|  | Woman Talking to Death | | Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Brooklyn
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Yippie, I was wrong about having to sue to be recognized in other states, and right about my new gov! Oh, and I guess Z meant Spain.
From the NY1 site: Quote: Governor Says N.Y. Law Recognizes Same-Sex Couples Married Out Of State
May 29, 2008
Saying that it's the law, Governor David Paterson ordered all state agencies to recognize same-sex marriages performed out of the state – but his decision does not come without opposition.
The Conservative Party said today that it is considering a legal challenge to Paterson's directive.
Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long blasted the governor for making the decision without giving the residents of the state a chance to weigh in.
Long says gay marriage should not be recognized unless the legislature changes the state's definition of marriage.
The head of the state's Catholic Conference also criticized Paterson's move.
"Unfortunately, this unilateral move without legislative input is not keeping with Mr. Paterson's promises upon taking office of a collaborative and bipartisan governing style," said New York State Catholic Conference Executive Director Richard Barnes.
But Paterson is not without his supporters, including State Comptroller Thomas DiNapoli, who said he backs the governor's directive.
Alan Van Capelle, the executive director of the Empire State Pride Agenda, praised the governor's decision, but says there's still a lot more that can be done.
"We're thrilled that the governor thinks that same sex couples should be entitled to all the rights and responsibilities of marriage and we're happy that the Assembly last year was on record saying that," said Van Capella. "But we really hope now that the State Senate does what two-thirds of the legislative government has said we should do, which is to treat gay couples equally and recognize marriage equality."
The governor's legal counsel sent a memo yesterday to all state agencies telling them they would be violating state human rights laws if they do not recognize the unions obtained in other places.
Today, Paterson reiterated the reasoning behind his decision, saying the state could be liable to lawsuit if they did not protect these residents' rights to privileges of traditional marriages, like family health care plants, joint tax returns, and property inheritance.
The governor said he is just following the law as it already exists for couples married out of the state and applying it to same-sex couples.
"I am taking the same approach that this state always has with respect to out-of-state or marriages conducted in foreign governments being recognized here in the State of New York," said the governor. "I am following the law as it always has existed."
One area where same-sex couples may not seen the same benefits is in the area of tax benefits, where the federal law defines marriage as a union between a man and woman.
Paterson admitted that he is a proponent of gay marriage, but said that opinion had no impact on his decision.
The governor said that this announcement does not touch upon the issue of same-sex marriage within New York State, which is still illegal at this time.
The legislation passed the Democrat-controlled State Assembly last session, but has not passed the Republican-controlled State Senate. While the governor approves the measure, the state's top Republican, Joseph Bruno, is against it.
Gay marriage is legal is in a number of places, including Massachusetts, Canada, and Spain, and in California, starting on June 17th.
Programming Note: "Inside City Hall" will have a debate on the issue tonight at 7 and 10 p.m.
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